quinntar Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Christians, Do you have to love your God unconditionally? Now Does your God love you unconditionally? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mwc Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Does the xian god even care about love? I thought the xian god only cared that you believed that a singular event in all of history happened, that being that jesus was crucified, and that was it. Who jesus was. What jesus did. Why jesus died. And lots of other things for that matter are all up to interpretation, or can simply be disregarded, but that this jesus was crucified is all important to this god. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ ficino ♦ Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 6/28/2018 at 3:51 PM, theanticrash said: Christians, Do you have to love your God unconditionally? Now Does your God love you unconditionally? 1. Yes 2. No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ DestinyTurtle ◊ Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 4 hours ago, ficino said: 1. Yes 2. No I wonder if by some hishap most Christians accidentally got a copy of the bible that mistranslated John 3:16 as "Now look at what you made me do you worthless filth!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinntar Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/11/2018 at 9:43 PM, Joshpantera said: Cricket's are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinntar Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 8:00 PM, mwc said: Does the xian god even care about love? I thought the xian god only cared that you believed that a singular event in all of history happened, that being that jesus was crucified, and that was it. Who jesus was. What jesus did. Why jesus died. And lots of other things for that matter are all up to interpretation, or can simply be disregarded, but that this jesus was crucified is all important to this god. mwc Isn't their god love? Which they believe they must love unconditionally, but does this ball of love love them unconditionally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 hours ago, theanticrash said: Isn't their god love? Which they believe they must love unconditionally, but does this ball of love love them unconditionally? I don't know. I'm too lazy to look to see if there's anything about unconditional love. Seems god has lots of rules but I don't know if there's conditions on love. That doesn't seem as important as obedience and belief. I think in 1 John it goes on about how god is love and god showed that love by sending jesus. We love one another. That shows gods love. And then we espouse belief in jesus which shows love too. But I don't recall anything about unconditional love or anything like that. Just god is love which means, to me, the embodiment of love and that's a bit different than loving unconditionally. The fact that god could hate (Esau for example) seems out of place of the embodiment of love and even the idea of god loving unconditionally. mwc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinntar Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, mwc said: I don't know. I'm too lazy to look to see if there's anything about unconditional love. Seems god has lots of rules but I don't know if there's conditions on love. That doesn't seem as important as obedience and belief. I think in 1 John it goes on about how god is love and god showed that love by sending jesus. We love one another. That shows gods love. And then we espouse belief in jesus which shows love too. But I don't recall anything about unconditional love or anything like that. Just god is love which means, to me, the embodiment of love and that's a bit different than loving unconditionally. The fact that god could hate (Esau for example) seems out of place of the embodiment of love and even the idea of god loving unconditionally. mwc How did god become the embodiment of love anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 hours ago, theanticrash said: How did god become the embodiment of love anyway. Well, the easy answer is someone just asserted it which made it so. Xians are only concerned with "agape" love. This is is a big deal for them. They think it's the biggest deal ever (yes, bigger than sliced bread even). It comes to us through Latin as "charity" (if I'm not mistaken). It doesn't sound like much but they look at it as the ultimate form of selfless love that applies to anyone/everyone even if they don't deserve it. They don't see it as the ultimate form of charity even though that's sort of how it falls out. Of course the Greeks had other words for love but those are considered unimportant (philia and one I can't recall which was a parent/child love) and almost vulgar (like "eros"...icky) depending on who you talk with. No, the only one worth anything is "agape." Just agape. I would think the better answer to your question, however, would be that people posited that "purer" things were of those belonging to heavens (and gods) and "baser" things belonged to the earth. As things were purified those rose up and as they were corrupted they fell (thus the thoughts that prevailed for ages that there was "rarified" air in space). So if you could purify yourself you could rise up and so on. So the purest things would belong to the gods (like love) and the corrupt things would belong to us down here (like hate). It's kind of like alchemy (spiritual alchemy?) in some ways. You can find some evidence for these thoughts in Revelation when gold becomes clear as it's purified (we know that pure gold does not do this but the thinking in their day, and form of alchemy, was that the more pure the lighter/more transparent). mwc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries256 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 The judeo-xtian “god” only cares about it’s hyper inflated ego 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinntar Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Aries256 said: The judeo-xtian “god” only cares about it’s hyper inflated ego Hyper inflated, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 On 6/28/2018 at 12:51 PM, theanticrash said: Christians, Do you have to love your God unconditionally? Now Does your God love you unconditionally? There are few Christians on this forum. You will have more fun asking this question on a Christian forum, if your aren't banned for asking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinntar Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, sdelsolray said: There are few Christians on this forum. You will have more fun asking this question on a Christian forum, if your aren't banned for asking it. Me asked them already, me not banned, me left that forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, theanticrash said: Me asked them already, me not banned, me left that forum. How many Christians responded to your question on the Christian forum? How many Christians responded to your question on the this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinntar Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, sdelsolray said: How many Christians responded to your question on the Christian forum? How many Christians responded to your question on the this forum? Lot's there, I think none here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Joshpantera Posted July 28, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2018 So anyways, this is a good line of questioning. It should make people think closely. A god whose love IS conditional towards his creation sounds more like the mind of some bronze age priests and scribes who lack the foresight to catch themselves in contradiction, than it does an eternal deity, who is defined as, "love." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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