Moderator Joshpantera Posted July 9, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 9, 2018 A Brief History of the Apocalypse The early days: 2800 BC - 1700 AD http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm Beyond 2012 http://www.abhota.info/end6.htm The "End," has been "soon at hand" for a great deal of centuries and millennia. Christianity simply fell into a larger scale human tendency towards alarm, gloom and doom which was alive long before christianity and will seem to out last christianity as well. Whenever you hear of certain doom, take a good long read of these links and see what objective insights may start coming into view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOHO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 From the link http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm ... "Jesus said, "Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) This implies that the Second Coming would return within the lifetime of his contemporaries, and indeed the Apostles expected Jesus to return before the passing of their generation." I've read apologetic interpretations stating that when Jesus came back to life, as stated in the Bible, this prophecy was fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOHO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 This is an extremely valuable source to attempt to present to the fundy fams the next time they take the tithing marketing too seriously. "Dig deep brothers and sister because the lawd will return on <date> ! We know this becuase <bullshit>. " Thanx, @Joshpantera 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Joshpantera Posted July 11, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted July 11, 2018 4 hours ago, MOHO said: From the link http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm ... "Jesus said, "Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) This implies that the Second Coming would return within the lifetime of his contemporaries, and indeed the Apostles expected Jesus to return before the passing of their generation." I've read apologetic interpretations stating that when Jesus came back to life, as stated in the Bible, this prophecy was fulfilled. My ex father-in-law thought that the second coming happened during the apostles life times, because of this. But not that the resurrection was Jesus coming in his kingdom, but that later after the ascension the 2nd coming took place back then. He was a little foggy on the details when I pressed him to explain the theology further. I just noted that most atheist's point to this verse as evidence of a failed prophecy. But he was pretty invested in believing that the 2nd coming already happened and the disciples were taken up. The stranger part is not tasting death, UNTIL they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom. As if they were to die at the point of seeing him coming. Maybe the idea was that they had to die first before entering the kingdom. And the notion of those who are alive at the 2nd coming being caught up in the clouds, never tasting death, was a later belief. Strange things. If so it would represent another contradiction between Matthew and Revelation to add to the growing pile of contradictions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reverendturmoil Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 The word 'coming' in Mathew 16:28 is a snafu of a translation. 'Coming' is the word "erchomai" and is better translated 'GO." erchomai is also translated GO in several places. ...till they see the Son of man 'GO' in his kingdom. That's referring to the ascension where Jesus returns into the kingdom of heaven. When he returns Jesus can't COME into his kingdom because he's returning to establish it. He's not returning into a kingdom already established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliT Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 According to some xians we will know the truth soon as this Friday's blood moon is the start of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 On July 11, 2018 at 1:55 PM, MOHO said: From the link http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm ... "Jesus said, "Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) This implies that the Second Coming would return within the lifetime of his contemporaries, and indeed the Apostles expected Jesus to return before the passing of their generation." I've read apologetic interpretations stating that when Jesus came back to life, as stated in the Bible, this prophecy was fulfilled. Apologists have vivid imaginations don't they? They make defense attorney's seem like amateurs when it comes to twisting words & reinterpreting evidence & facts. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 On 7/11/2018 at 6:23 PM, Joshpantera said: My ex father-in-law thought that the second coming happened during the apostles life times, because of this. But not that the resurrection was Jesus coming in his kingdom, but that later after the ascension the 2nd coming took place back then. He was a little foggy on the details when I pressed him to explain the theology further. I just noted that most atheist's point to this verse as evidence of a failed prophecy. But he was pretty invested in believing that the 2nd coming already happened and the disciples were taken up. That sounds like Preterism. I was pretty intrigued by that theology for awhile, until I deconverted. Preterism holds that the fall of Jerusalem around 70AD was the second coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Joshpantera Posted September 15, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/10/2019 at 11:15 PM, trashy said: That sounds like Preterism. I was pretty intrigued by that theology for awhile, until I deconverted. Preterism holds that the fall of Jerusalem around 70AD was the second coming. Sort of like the JHW's "invisible" second coming that already happened: http://evidenceforchristianity.org/did-the-second-coming-of-jesus-occur-invisibly-in-1914-as-the-jehovah-witness-claim/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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