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The Apostle Paul goes briefly into the kinds of things that will keep a person from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven.  Some are more publicized than others.  Homosexuality tops the list, of course.  Here in Kentucky we still have dry counties, supported by local churches, taking care of drunkards.  Gambling remains illegal in many states.  Lying, not so much.  It's kind of one of the big ten, and the Bible even says to let your yeses be yeses and your noes to be noes.  It's not that much of a thing, though it gets brought up in church occasionally.

 

What I'm really getting at is the sin of gluttony.  I live in the fried food belt, and it shows.  How many fat people are going to Hell for not being able to put down the Twinkies?  I'm reminded of John Hagee, who's definitely a fat bastard who preaches about just about everything else but his weight.  So does God, who supposedly can't abide by any sin whatsoever, hate fat people as much as gay people?  Thoughts?

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1 hour ago, 1989 said:

The Apostle Paul goes briefly into the kinds of things that will keep a person from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven.  Some are more publicized than others.  Homosexuality tops the list, of course.  Here in Kentucky we still have dry counties, supported by local churches, taking care of drunkards.  Gambling remains illegal in many states.  Lying, not so much.  It's kind of one of the big ten, and the Bible even says to let your yeses be yeses and your noes to be noes.  It's not that much of a thing, though it gets brought up in church occasionally.

 

What I'm really getting at is the sin of gluttony.  I live in the fried food belt, and it shows.  How many fat people are going to Hell for not being able to put down the Twinkies?  I'm reminded of John Hagee, who's definitely a fat bastard who preaches about just about everything else but his weight.  So does God, who supposedly can't abide by any sin whatsoever, hate fat people as much as gay people?  Thoughts?

 

Ya know, I always wondered about this, myself. Most people can be cool with never murdering, or even doin' anything vaguely homosexual or thereabouts. But what if they gossip, are unnecessarily cruel, don't feed the hungry or clothe the nekkid, or just eat a bit too much? That's fallin' short, ain't it? Aw, God gonna zap 'em!

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As I recall, the premise of Christianity is that God can't tolerate or be in the presence of any sin, his laws are impossible for mortal man to keep (thus requiring the committing of sin) and the result is we need the blanket atonement of the Jesus blood sacrifice to cover them for us. With God's zero tolerance of sin they would all bring the same result from his perspective; sin is sin. People, however, differentiate between sins because we all seem to think murder and rape are worse than eating shellfish. Silly humans.

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     We can simply turn to the bible to see how god cannot tolerate sin in the slightest.

 

     The first time sin is actually mentioned is just before Cain kills Abel.  Cain then kills Abel and this is clearly now a sin.  God must now deal with this.  In person.  An example of god metering out punishment for a crime that he had specifically warned again.  And how?  By obliterating Cain of course.  Oh, wait, no by marking him out and making sure that no one will kill Cain.  Cain gets away with fratricide.  God's will is done.

 

     God literally does not give a shit about murder.  He really doesn't care.  He came to Cain knowing that he was about to murder Abel.  Cain murdered Abel.  God protected Cain.  His only real punishment was, I guess, banishment to the even more wastelandier wasteland?  Where he somehow found a wife (still a mystery here), had kids and founded the first cities.  His death was silly but no more than lots of others throughout history so all-in-all a success considering this supposedly no-nonsense god.

 

     We can go ahead and try to talk about how the flood may have been some form of justice but that flood caught Adam and Eve's good kid's offspring just as much as it did evil old Cain's so that's really a non-starter as far as this goes.

 

     The only possible argument left is god will get Cain in the afterlife for which there's no evidence.  We would expect god should carry out his punishments immediately like he tells us to do.  Cain sinned.  God did a form of punishment but then there's another punishment later on as well?  It just gets worse the more you think about it.

 

          mwc

 

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I’m not sure if the obesity problem is entirely about gluttony. There are so many other contributing factors such as our sedentary jobs, fast food being cheaper than fresh fruit and vegetables, and lack of education about how sugar plays havoc with our satiety.

 

I’m not overweight but my sister-in-laws are. They overeat to calm their anxiety, which is caused by the sexual abuse they suffered as children.

 

Does god judge all gluttony equally? Or does he judge each glutton according to their circumstances? IS GOD JUST??

Me thinks not...

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Is your question; does an imaginary God judge imaginary sin? And if found guilty will you be condemned to an imaginary hell? The answer is yes if you believe in an imaginary God and imaginary sin. The answer is definitely no, if you don't believe in an imaginary God. :jesus: :fdevil::fun:

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Homosexuality never was a sin.  When god said a man should not lie with another man the way he lies with a woman, he meant that it was okay to lie to your girl about being out at the bar; but, under no circumstance, were you to lie to the guys you were drinking with.  It was god's way of saying "Bros before hoes."  It just got lost in translation.

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     All sins are supposed to be judged equally but that doesn't mean all sins are equally fun.

 

          mwc

 

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I'm late, as usual. My understanding is that the thing that makes a sin a sin is that the person has followed their own will instead of the god's will.  So, in Romans 14, Paul (or whomever the author is) is talking about eating meat that was part of a sacrifice to idols. He says that since the idol is nothing, then it's nothing to eat the meat... if you know the idol isn't anything then the meat is just meat.

 

However, he adds that if you doubt that eating it is okay and you do it anyway, you've sinned because of your doubt. The idea is that you didn't care whether the god approved or not, you just did what you wanted... i.e. followed your own will.

 

And that's why all sins would be equal if this god were real. It isn't about the deed itself, it's about whose will you're doing, so murder isn't murder, it's self-will. Lying isn't lying, it's self-will. Lust isn't lust, it's self-will. There is only one sin and either you've committed it or you haven't... or, actually, you have committed it, and either you've been forgiven of it or not. First time you hit your brother or sister as a kid when you were "old enough to know better," you did something according to your own will, so it's off to Hell with you!

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Well, lying wouldn't be as great a sin a murder ~ at home a child argued with his brother , his mother wouldn't think it as great a wrong as if he flipped her the finger and told her to clag off ```

 

There are levels of sin as well ~ don't you think ```

 

 

Well, gota go ```

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5 hours ago, Vartan said:

Well, lying wouldn't be as great a sin a murder ~ at home a child argued with his brother , his mother wouldn't think it as great a wrong as if he flipped her the finger and told her to clag off ```

 

There are levels of sin as well ~ don't you think ```

 

 

Well, gota go ```

 

Sin is a theological issue. Sin is usually defined as the breaking of a law or command found in the Bible, It can also be a violation of a specific Church or Denominations rules or traditions. Sin has no relevance outside the religious realm. 

 

It is not possible for someone, that is not religious, to sin, because they are not subject to the laws, rules, and commands of any God, religion, or church. They do not fear God because they do not believe God exists. Therefore, God's rules, laws, and commands are irrelevant to an atheists.

 

Atheists, as well as believers, are subject to secular law and can be incarsarated for breaking those laws. But an atheists cannot be punished for breaking an imaginary God's laws. 

 

Your original question has no relevance on this site. That is a question for believers to argue and debate. :) 

 

 

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It’s all made up,as we know. 

But it’s a funny story that my father was moved by the Holy Spirit during a service and prophesied that,among other things,”If you’re fat,go on a diet!”

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Sin is a theological issue. Sin is usually defined as the breaking of a law or command found in the Bible, It can also be a violation of a specific Church or Denominations rules or traditions. Sin has no relevance outside the religious realm. 

 

 

 

I think most everything considered sin ~ is something everyone hates ```  Lying and murder ~ theft ~Whatever ~ and the thread is about Sin and I think some are worse that others ~ you wouldn't put a person in the Electric Chair for lying ~ but you might for Murder ```

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1 hour ago, Vartan said:

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Sin is a theological issue. Sin is usually defined as the breaking of a law or command found in the Bible, It can also be a violation of a specific Church or Denominations rules or traditions. Sin has no relevance outside the religious realm. 

 

 

 

I think most everything considered sin ~ is something everyone hates ```  Lying and murder ~ theft ~Whatever ~ and the thread is about Sin and I think some are worse that others ~ you wouldn't put a person in the Electric Chair for lying ~ but you might for Murder ```

 

Homosexuality, Transgenders, sex outside of marriage between consenting adults,  watching porn, masturbation, marriage divorce and remarriage are a few examples of things Christians would classify as sin but none of those things are illegal, and secular people generally would not want any of those things to be declared illegal either. 

 

Secular people are generally okay with consenting adults doing whatever they want as long as it isn't illegal. Secular folks do not want the church telling them what they can and can't do, because their imaginary God supposedly said don't do that because it will piss me off if you do.

 

Being a Christian is voluntary,  but being a Christian obligates the believer to abide by the rules. One of the reasons we are atheists is because we don't like the rules. True freedom is freedom from religion.  B)

 

 

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Are All Sins Equal? 

"The Apostle Paul goes briefly into the kinds of things that will keep a person from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven.  Some are more publicized than others.  Homosexuality tops the list, of course.  Here in Kentucky we still have dry counties, supported by local churches, taking care of drunkards.  Gambling remains illegal in many states.  Lying, not so much.  It's kind of one of the big ten, and the Bible even says to let your yeses be yeses and your noes to be noes.  It's not that much of a thing, though it gets brought up in church occasionally.

What I'm really getting at is the sin of gluttony.  I live in the fried food belt, and it shows.  How many fat people are going to Hell for not being able to put down the Twinkies?  I'm reminded of John Hagee, who's definitely a fat bastard who preaches about just about everything else but his weight.  So does God, who supposedly can't abide by any sin whatsoever, hate fat people as much as gay people?  Thoughts?"

 

 

 

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According to the holy bible, the wages of sin (any/sin) is death. Said bible also defines sin as the transgression of God's law. The bible also says ALL ( Jew, gentile, Christian, ex Christian, Atheist, Satanist, Hindu, Buddhist etc.)

have sinned and fall short of God's glory (character). Said bible also said that Jesus took the sins of the  world upon Himself (see 1 John 2:2; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Isaiah 53:3-6; Galatians 3: 10-14; 1Peter 2:23,24; Romans 5:6,8; 1 Corinthians 15:3 ). The bible says Jesus paid the penalty for the past, present  and future sins of the world ( Jew, gentile, Christian, ex Christian, Atheist, Satanist, Hindi, Buddhist etc.). However, according to scripture, there is only one sin that Jesus did not die for. It is the sin that the devil and his angels committed, which puts them on death row (Matthew 25:41).  That sin is the unpardonable sin. The unpardonable sin is sin that a person consistently clings to until they grieve the Holy Spirit away. While there are magnitudes of sin, any sin can eventually lead a person to commit the unpardonable sin if they cherish said sin.

 

The bible says God loves people. He hates sin.

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The Fabricated Paul by Herman Detering. The author lays out the evidence that the Apostle was, more than likely, a literary character rather than a real person. Detering, among other scholars, believes the evidence indicates that Simon Magus & Marcion were the real authors of "Paul's Epistles" as well as the creators of Christianity. 

 

The Epistles were not discovered until the second century. Apologist theorize they were written around 30 AD, but historians challenge that date. The evidence suggest they were written in the early part of the second century. If that is true then Paul could not possibly have written them. 

 

Christians, obvioisly, reject historical evidence because it often challenges their traditions. 

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Well ~  I don't think God hates fat people ~ where would you get an idea like that ~ are you referring to gluttony ~ even that ~ I don't think is a terrible thing to the Lord ```

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1 hour ago, Vartan said:

Well ~  I don't think God hates fat people ~ where would you get an idea like that ~ are you referring to gluttony ~ even that ~ I don't think is a terrible thing to the Lord ```

 

Yes, you get to construct any God you want.  Isn't the human imagination wonderful?

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2 hours ago, Vartan said:

Well ~  I don't think God hates fat people

 

I don't think my invisible pink unicorn does either.

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2 hours ago, Vartan said:

Well ~  I don't think God hates fat people ~ where would you get an idea like that ~ are you referring to gluttony ~ even that ~ I don't think is a terrible thing to the Lord ```

 

20 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:

 

I don't think my invisible pink unicorn does either.

 

As a fat person, I appreciate both your sentiments.  😁

 

On the other hand Vartan, the Bible does say that gluttons will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, along with liars, gamblers, drunkards, homosexual offenders, and others.  If it weren't so terrible, why would God send all of them to Hell and the Lake of Fire?  I agree with Thumbelina that according to the Bible all sin leads to death.  Whether God actually loves people is a debate for another topic.

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8 minutes ago, 1989 said:

As a fat person, I appreciate both your sentiments.  😁

 

You are welcome, but my point was we are discussing what a non existent being thinks... :scratch:And I say non existent meaning no one has actually demonstrated that said being exists, much less that they KNOW what this being thinks.

 

If the God of the bible exists with the characteristics as described then we are less to it than ants are to us... how often do you find yourself concerned about the personal affairs of ants? Is this ant sleeping with this one? Is it eating too much? Does it like boy and instead of girl ants? These concerns all point to petty human affairs, not some great cosmic being of infinite wisdom and knowledge.

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Gluttony can refer to drinking too much or any excess ~ or hoarding ~ not everyone who is over weight is a glutton ~ many people gain weight while eating no more than others who are thinner ```

 

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When the Universal Church ~ those Churches started by apostles ~ when they got together in council ~ having gathered and selected books and writings to be kept as worthy ~ we/ they called this collection ~ as we call it today ~ The Holy Bible ~ this includes Hebrew writings old ones that are not all ~ The word of God ~ some are records of state ```

Church tradition of the Universal Church is the teaching of each peoples by the Apostles ~ this more clearly can be the word of God ~ from God to us by his disciples  ```

Here in the west ~ more so in the U.S. everyone seem to have started his or her own church ~ This is Protestant ism mostly ~ any person can simply say : I was lead or shown this or that by the Holy Spirit and start his own church ~ this is why there are ~ I’ve heard over 4000 different churches ~ that call themselves Christian ```

It is said that if you dropped the Bible into tribe or group of people ~ and ~ they were to start a religion based on what they found in the Book ~ it would have little chance of being anything like the Universal Church which is still with us today ~ or ~ the many, many churches that have sprung up in the west ```

It is embarrassing  to have some of the groups ~ that say they are Christian ~ out representing  the Faith ~ no wonder  many hate Christians ~ they think that’s who we are ~ I’ve had these blurts bang on my door and want to tell me of Our God ~ pretending to be Christians ~ when probed they don’t believe Christ was divine ~ how are they Christians and other talk of Christ was the god of this planet and if they are loyal they can be god of their own planet ```

I’ve heard people say what it was like for them in their church ~ and they hate Christians for it ~ I would really like them to know that isn’t Christianity ~ that in not who we are

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On 11/19/2018 at 10:03 PM, 1989 said:

 

 

As a fat person, I appreciate both your sentiments.  😁

 

On the other hand Vartan, the Bible does say that gluttons will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, along with liars, gamblers, drunkards, homosexual offenders, and others.  If it weren't so terrible, why would God send all of them to Hell and the Lake of Fire?  I agree with Thumbelina that according to the Bible all sin leads to death.  Whether God actually loves people is a debate for another topic.

 

 

The biblical texts give hope to offenders. The bible stresses being an overcomer (Revelation 2:11).

 

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 

 

 

I emphasized the parts of the text which show that God does not condemn people who committed the sins mentioned.

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This is such a surreal thread. Do y’all often debate scriptures on Ex-C? It seems very weird to me,like why not nit pick some other old book?

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