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A couple of days back, on a BBC news report of events surrounding the US government shut-down, we were treated to footage of the US president in a room full of his advisors and government colleagues, in a meeting that concluded with a pastor praying for their collective wisdom as they all sat their with heads bowed.  At the end, Mr T thanked the pastor, describing his words as "beautiful".

In the UK, politics tends to be reasonably secular, with just the trappings of the traditions of the country's Christian past but not, generally, anything like this.  I rather suspect a political body that behaved like this here would find its' electoral prospects in free-fall.

I found it as disturbing as it was incredible.

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I heard him reading a bible verse during his campaign, and he concluded by saying "very true, very true". And the ignorant masses applauded loudly.

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In the U.S., Evangelical Xianity is a political cult. They don't even try to be consistent anymore. If a republican politician says something is ok, it's as though the pope said it and they'll furiously defend why the bible has always defended that viewpoint since the ancient of days. They'd do a complete 180 just as easily as soon as that stance becomes inconvenient ("We are at war with Oceania. We were always at war with Oceania.")

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Religion is firmly embedded (in-bed-with) politics in America. Local governments all the way up to the top. Our national motto "In God We Trust" was recently put into metal letters above the chairs of the county councilors where I live. The ones that pushed this through were a combination of actual believers and two Trumpian GOP members, all of whom were councilors (commissioners at that time). I doubt it will ever be removed. The push for god in politics here was one way to distinguish us from the godless commie scum back in the 1950s, putting the phrase "under God" into our "Pledge of Allegiance", so evangelicals did all they could to insist on Christian morals being pushed as just "moral behavior" in print, radio, live music, movies, and TV. It has taken a lot of work to undo that attitude. Hugh Hefner fought them in court back in the 60s to be able to publish Playboy. Others followed on to be able to publish more explicit things. It was a big deal back in the 1970s for a TV show "Three's Company" to have a man living in the same house as two beautiful women. Before that, even shows that had married couples had to show them sleeping in separate beds. The 1980s saw a resurgence of Christian control being pushed for the good of society, labeling records with parent advisories and such, which the church began to move from a position of regarding demons as an outdated concept to real and in your kids bedroom. Fear sells, so the church latched onto fears of backmasking in music, making presentations on campuses about the hidden demonic messages in pop music and kids cartoons. Tons of books and sermons have been produced detailing all the ways that demons are seducing people to reject the Christian god.

 

Evangelicals played a HUGE role in the election of Trump, and he pays them back by pretending to believe any of it. And they eat it up. Many are absolutely convinced that he was placed there by god almighty to protect Israel and usher in the kingdom of god, stamping out abortion and the gay agenda, and ending socialist programs that corrupt the pure capitalism that Jesus wants us to have. It is a bizarre cult, and very powerful in the states.

 

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The Republican party nowadays is a bizarre mishmash of true-believers (mostly Evangelicals) and those willing to use the true-believin' Christians in order to achieve political power. A sad state of affairs, but it ain't goin' away, anytime soon!

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Trump isn’t religious and that would seem to be obvious to anyone that isn’t worshiping at his alter. Religion is loosing its dominate influence in then U.S., but it’s a slow process. It was just on Jan 1 of this year that grocery stores could start selling liquor and wine on Sundays where I live. And it was only a year ago that grocery stores could sell wine at all.

 

In the Bible Belt any politician that made it public knowledge they were atheists would have little or no chance of being elected to any political office. I don’t see that changing for a very long time into the future. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Geezer said:

Trump isn’t religious and that would seem to be obvious to anyone that isn’t worshiping at his alter. Religion is loosing its dominate influence in then U.S., but it’s a slow process. It was just on Jan 1 of this year that grocery stores could start selling liquor and wine on Sundays where I live. And it was only a year ago that grocery stores could sell wine at all.

 

In the Bible Belt any politician that made it public knowledge they were atheists would have little or no chance of being elected to any political office. I don’t see that changing for a very long time into the future. 

 

 

Oh yeah, it will take a while for the situation to improve, for sure!

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The GOP has some good ideas and philosophies. (Disclaimer: I do no subscribe to any party and vote the issues) 

Many of the GOP's policies are rejected by the masses because of the GOP's basic association with the moral majority. I often wonder how much more relevant that party would be if they would downplay said association.

 

of course, when I point this out to my fams and close circle of friends who ARE the moral majority, I am regarded as the scum of the Earth and my opinion dismissed entirely. Their point of view seems to be "If we can't win with Jesus then we'd rather not win!"

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24 minutes ago, MOHO said:

The GOP has some good ideas and philosophies. (Disclaimer: I do no subscribe to any party and vote the issues) 

Many of the GOP's policies are rejected by the masses because of the GOP's basic association with the moral majority. I often wonder how much more relevant that party would be if they would downplay said association.

 

of course, when I point this out to my fams and close circle of friends who ARE the moral majority, I am regarded as the scum of the Earth and my opinion dismissed entirely. Their point of view seems to be "If we can't win with Jesus then we'd rather not win!"

 

It seems Jesus once invincible power and influence isn’t what it once was. And it appears Jesus is slowly becoming less and less relevant in politics. 

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     People like religion here.  I'm pretty sure it has to do with the Puritans (ignoring the fact they were religious rejects).  It used to be all jesus all the time.  But people have recently dipped their toes into a few other pools.  But they're still all about some sort of "spirituality."  You still have to believe in the non-existent or at the very least the unproven if you prefer.  So if you're an atheist your odds are near zero but if you're just about anything else, in that you believe in something, especially one of the mainstay religions, you're in the running.  And I would think to have a shot at the top position you have to believe in god or put on that show for the masses.  People do not respond well when the top dog doesn't say "...and god bless the United States of America" whenever they end a speech.  It causes all sorts of natural disasters or something.

 

          mwc

 

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I dont believe Trump is as batshit crazy fundy as people think. Lol 

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10 minutes ago, Aries256 said:

I dont believe Trump is as batshit crazy fundy as people think. Lol 

 

You mean a politician eluded to something that was not quite accurate in order to put himself in a better position to be elected?

Say it ain't so?!

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11 minutes ago, MOHO said:

 

You mean a politician eluded to something that was not quite accurate in order to put himself in a better position to be elected?

Say it ain't so?!

Politician 101

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2 hours ago, Aries256 said:

I dont believe Trump is as batshit crazy fundy as people think. Lol 

 

I don't think he's even deeply religious. He just plays to the religious crowd... which while politically smart is inherently dishonest and devalues self worth IMO. One of the reasons I don't like the guy. Not that I like many politicians for much the same reason. Hard to get an honest one that you don't think is telling you one thing, but thinks another.

 

Of course he still says some batshit stupid stuff... but that's Trump.

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