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You know, I might just be built this way, but I have a very strong need for coherence. In the belief system. Now, my biggest problems with the Christian belief seems to be its incoherence. maybe some other info will come along, but the ideas presented are just so contradictory. I am talking here mainly of Easter Orthodox Christianity.

 

 God created man and gave him freedom of choice but he asks for unconditional obedience.

 

Man should imitate Christ, but Christ was without sin and with full divine nature so it is impossible to imitate him. You can ask for anything but he only fulfills things which He thinks are good.

 

Man should constantly repent, but his repentance is null without the work of Christ.

 

In the baptism all sin is cleansed and man restored to full freedom, but he sins anyway.

 

Humans should procreate, but their offspring inherit the sin of Adam and suffer and die.

 

Man has a rational and a contemplative mind, but he should be obedient in all time to his elders and not use his contemplative or rational mind.

 

Everyone should of themselves as being the worst sinner ( this is said in the prayer in Church before communion). How can everyone be the worst sinner?

 

Sometimes praying to God does not work, but praying to saint, a being for whom all the power comes from God, does.

 

God is extremely forgiving, but he is extremely strict and even calling someone a bad name merits the eternal torments of Hell.

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1 hour ago, Myrkhoos said:

I have a very strong need for coherence.

 

Same here. 

 

When I fully realized that god was imaginary my mind literally rewrote its "operation system", how it understands the world around it.  I have experienced near complete mental coherence in the 9 years since.  The days of cognitive dissonance banished.  

 

Life is so much better now.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Myrkhoos said:

You know, I might just be built this way, but I have a very strong need for coherence. In the belief system. Now, my biggest problems with the Christian belief seems to be its incoherence. maybe some other info will come along, but the ideas presented are just so contradictory. I am talking here mainly of Easter Orthodox Christianity.

 

 God created man and gave him freedom of choice but he asks for unconditional obedience.

 

Man should imitate Christ, but Christ was without sin and with full divine nature so it is impossible to imitate him. You can ask for anything but he only fulfills things which He thinks are good.

 

Man should constantly repent, but his repentance is null without the work of Christ.

 

In the baptism all sin is cleansed and man restored to full freedom, but he sins anyway.

 

Humans should procreate, but their offspring inherit the sin of Adam and suffer and die.

 

Man has a rational and a contemplative mind, but he should be obedient in all time to his elders and not use his contemplative or rational mind.

 

Everyone should of themselves as being the worst sinner ( this is said in the prayer in Church before communion). How can everyone be the worst sinner?

 

Sometimes praying to God does not work, but praying to saint, a being for whom all the power comes from God, does.

 

God is extremely forgiving, but he is extremely strict and even calling someone a bad name merits the eternal torments of Hell.

 

You list many mere assertions from a particular religion.  You identify several inconsistencies/contradictions/lack of coherency among those assertions (and from other dogma from the same religion).

 

I like your short list of items, as they are taken from the hundreds and hundreds of similar inconsistencies/contradictions/lack of coherency found in most religious Scriptures.  They tend to focus on human behavior and sky fairy(ies) behavior.

 

It seems that the humans have "freedom of choice" and the sky fairy(ies) do not have "freedom of choice".  

 

How can the sky fairy(ies) have any fun?

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The beliefs are insane, as is the god they worship. All loving, but with insatiable blood-lust and absolutely no forgiveness only redemption (pay a price of blood); all powerful and knows what you need before you ask but you have to beg and plead despite promises to answer (and then he always has a "better plan" that he won't disclose).

 

That last bit stood out in the Baptist church I attended for a while before going Pentecostal. They wouldn't even pray for healing because God had closed the time of miracles and communicating with the completion of the Bible. The Bible in effect had replaced God who now pretends to be dead and uncommunicative, even while remaining all-powerful and omnipresent. This was how they explained the complete lack of response to prayers for healing, and hence the reason for not bothering. They actually theologized themselves into a practically dead god. I couldn't fathom such a position, so went Pentecostal which puts all the blame for lack of response on our own craving for sin and lack of submission. That led to years of trying to find the magic key that would make it all HAPPEN!!! Pentecostals spend a lot of time following the latest fad that is supposed to REALLY get the presence of god. Of course, it only works as much as the collective woo makes a person feel (and there is something "energetic" to having a room full of people in full woo, not god, but something that I often felt).

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You were predestined to have free will; what's not coherent about that?  😎

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On 2/20/2019 at 2:49 PM, ConsiderTheSource said:

Life is so much better now.

 

 

I fully agree.  Perfect moment for the red pill, blue pill question.  NO.  I would not go back.  Uh, "lean [yea] on my own understanding" is soooo much better!  Cognitive dissonance is bad for humans.  At the very least it causes significant stress and makes us do crazy things.  

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23 hours ago, jupiter789 said:

Uh, "lean [yea] on my own understanding" is soooo much better!  

What!? Negative. Lean on the understanding of the fat old white men in rumpled suits jumping up and down at the front of the church screaming. Or even better, physically lean on one of them!  /s

 

Rock on, jupiter789.

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God loves us so much that He'll send us to everlasting torment unless you love him back.  That's perfect and free love right there.  Just watched a sermon on it yesterday.  Without the Hell part of course.  That's bad marketing.

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I have a hard time with having free will but you will catch hell if you choose wrong!

How can that be free will? Especially if you know it up front!

If God did create us with free will, knowing all things as he supposedly does, he knows that most of the humans he created will not pass the test.

And that bothers the hell out of me, why doesn't it bother him?

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Christianity depends on the notion that man is inherently bad. But if we go for the notion that man is inherently good, and will do the right thing more often than not, the whole underlayment of Christianity collapses.

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On 4/19/2019 at 10:03 PM, older said:

Christianity depends on the notion that man is inherently bad. But if we go for the notion that man is inherently good, and will do the right thing more often than not, the whole underlayment of Christianity collapses.

That is Hinduism....where they say everyone is born pure and divine!

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On 2/21/2019 at 6:19 AM, Myrkhoos said:

Man has a rational and a contemplative mind, but he should be obedient in all time to his elders and not use his contemplative or rational mind.

 

This contradiction annoys me the most. God gave us our rational minds and set up the rules of the universe in such a way that evidence-based decisions are the most reliable way for us to understand reality. But when it comes to religion we are expected to switch off our brains or we will be punished.

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31 minutes ago, LostinParis said:

This contradiction annoys me the most. God gave us our rational minds and set up the rules of the universe in such a way that evidence-based decisions are the most reliable way for us to understand reality. But when it comes to religion we are expected to switch off our brains or we will be punished.

 

Starts in Genesis. "The snake was more clever than the other animals..." Not evil, clever. And what was the tree to avoid "Knowledge of good and evil". He wanted pets, not children. 

 

When people got together to do a big project, he felt threatened and brain-zapped them with other languages, otherwise "nothing will be impossible for them". 

 

Then his first believer Abraham was told to do psychotic things. "Sacrifice your son to me", "Ok, nevermind that. But cut part of his dick off or I'll kill you." And this is the father of faith. 

 

David echoed this "Trust the sky-jerk with all your hear and don't trust your own understanding".

 

Paul exhorted believers that "worldly wisdom" would destroy them, and God would save those who are "fools for Christ".

 

It is a constant mind-fuck to make people look past the obvious myths, psychotic god, mass-murders and rapes of the Israelites, impossible things like the Exodus that history shows never happened, and take on faith that it's all real and they will be rewarded with a big lottery at the end. Untold millions have fallen for it, and some of them are in power in governments around the world today making laws to please the sky-jerk so he won't hurt them. 

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On 2/20/2019 at 1:19 PM, Myrkhoos said:

You know, I might just be built this way, but I have a very strong need for coherence. In the belief system. Now, my biggest problems with the Christian belief seems to be its incoherence. maybe some other info will come along, but the ideas presented are just so contradictory. I am talking here mainly of Easter Orthodox Christianity.

 

 God created man and gave him freedom of choice but he asks for unconditional obedience.

 

Man should imitate Christ, but Christ was without sin and with full divine nature so it is impossible to imitate him. You can ask for anything but he only fulfills things which He thinks are good.

 

Man should constantly repent, but his repentance is null without the work of Christ.

 

In the baptism all sin is cleansed and man restored to full freedom, but he sins anyway.

 

Humans should procreate, but their offspring inherit the sin of Adam and suffer and die.

 

Man has a rational and a contemplative mind, but he should be obedient in all time to his elders and not use his contemplative or rational mind.

 

Everyone should of themselves as being the worst sinner ( this is said in the prayer in Church before communion). How can everyone be the worst sinner?

 

Sometimes praying to God does not work, but praying to saint, a being for whom all the power comes from God, does.

 

God is extremely forgiving, but he is extremely strict and even calling someone a bad name merits the eternal torments of Hell.

God is extremely forgiving, but he is extremely strict and even calling someone a bad name merits the eternal torments of Hell...Good Like I have no religion I'm SAVE. ! I have never liked being INDOCTRINATED. When I want to read science fiction I read the bible!. 

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On 2/21/2019 at 6:19 AM, Myrkhoos said:

You know, I might just be built this way, but I have a very strong need for coherence. In the belief system. Now, my biggest problems with the Christian belief seems to be its incoherence. maybe some other info will come along, but the ideas presented are just so contradictory. I am talking here mainly of Easter Orthodox Christianity.

 

 God created man and gave him freedom of choice but he asks for unconditional obedience.

 

Man should imitate Christ, but Christ was without sin and with full divine nature so it is impossible to imitate him. You can ask for anything but he only fulfills things which He thinks are good.

 

Man should constantly repent, but his repentance is null without the work of Christ.

 

In the baptism all sin is cleansed and man restored to full freedom, but he sins anyway.

 

Humans should procreate, but their offspring inherit the sin of Adam and suffer and die.

 

Man has a rational and a contemplative mind, but he should be obedient in all time to his elders and not use his contemplative or rational mind.

 

Everyone should of themselves as being the worst sinner ( this is said in the prayer in Church before communion). How can everyone be the worst sinner?

 

Sometimes praying to God does not work, but praying to saint, a being for whom all the power comes from God, does.

 

God is extremely forgiving, but he is extremely strict and even calling someone a bad name merits the eternal torments of Hell.

It ain't sin nature that causes sin, it's having absurd beliefs that cause sin. Think about this. If you know 100% it's wrong to murder a person, how are you going to murder someone? But if you only believe it's wrong to murder someone, then what the fuck percentage of certainty is that? How are you gonna to stop yourself from murdering someone, if you ain't 100% certain that you know that it is wrong.

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