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Bernie Sanders: "I'm Running for President"

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Because I listened to the first minute and 20 seconds of that video, I have never been so sure of casting another vote for Donald Trump.

 

Thank you for helping me make up my mind, Mr. Sanders.

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13 minutes ago, Fweethawt said:

Because I listened to the first minute and 20 seconds of that video, I have never been so sure of casting another vote for Donald Trump.

 

Thank you for helping me make up my mind, Mr. Sanders.

 

Doesn't Trump have to win the Republican primaries first? How does this work? Or can the incumbent just run again... so only the Dems have primaries?

 

oh never mind, even if that were the case you'd still cast a vote...

 

Doesn't Trump have to declare he'll run first... or has he done that?

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I just listened to the whole thing. That was the biggest shit sling session I've ever heard in my life. He just blurted out a whole bunch of shit in hopes that some of it will stick.

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9 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:

Doesn't Trump have to declare he'll run first... or has he done that?

I'm pretty sure he does have to declare it. Can you honestly see him not going for a second term? So yeah, most of my comment is based on hopes that he's going to run again.

 

Bo is better equipped to answer your questions than I am.

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Are you sure that's BO posting...? or has his account been hacked? :P :D 

 

Thanks... that was well written and informed.

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5 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:

Are you sure that's BO posting...? or has his account been hacked? :P :D 

 

Thanks... that was well written and informed.

He knows his shit when it comes to this stuff. 

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Have watched the first two minutes or so, gotta say, he's spot-on for all I can tell. Don't know all too much about Cortez so far, maybe she'd be a good one too or maybe she wouldn't, but looking at Agent Orange, if I was US my vote would go to Bernie.

 

Of course we all know that will never happen. The 1 % has kicked him out of the race once, they'll do it again. They'll protect their obscene profits any way they can.

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They may prefer Yang over Sanders: 

 

 

 

A "trickle up economy." 

 

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I like Bernie, but I think he's making a mistake in making part of the campaign about defeating Trump. I mean it's kind of a given... whoever, from whatever party is trying to defeat Trump. Railing on about it is only going to alienate those in the middle who might be on a seesaw. Those who are Dems will already agree that Trump is a bad egg. Those who are Reps will not agree. It's the middle ground where politics is won these days. But what do I know?

 

Yang mentions a very real problem that affects us in NZ too - a lot of talent goes to the coast he said and basically drains the middle US of talent. A similar thing happens here where a lot of talent goes to the few big cities to make big money because the regional areas don't offer the same opportunity. This of course causes the same effect and you end up with regional areas having less talent and less income per capita. This is offset by generally lower costs of living in the regions, but still the opportunity isn't there.

 

Ok Yang is better than Bernie. I'd vote for him. Some people have talked about a universal income here - usually met with cries of socialism... I'm like you so don't know what socialism is.

 

But he makes a great point about the tech revolution coming. They are talking about buildings being put together by autorobots... well goodbye builders. What do you do with the builders? Teach them all to do tech maintenance?

 

Big changes are coming. Eventually I see a future if we survived long enough in which automation does most of the work and earns money via companies. At that point we are either going to have a decent universal income scheme in place or a hell world with greedy corps at the top and everyone else in slums. You can say well just retrain.... yes but you are going to be in an ever squeezing market which doesn't need all of the labour available to maintain its automation processes.

 

But still finished his speech with God Bless you all, God bless the USA. Makes you realize how religious the US is.

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1 hour ago, LogicalFallacy said:

Ok Yang is better than Bernie. I'd vote for him. Some people have talked about a universal income here - usually met with cries of socialism... I'm like you so don't know what socialism is.

 

This is human based, or human concern centered capitalism in contrast to the democratic socialist's. Let's call it HBC. based on the "trickle up" economic plan. 

 

I keep going more and more of Yang. This is more along the lines of what you've been talking about concerning in between anarcho-capitalism and communist socialism. And here's the real kicker, Yang tested out names to see what approval ratings he could get from conservatives. And The Freedom Dividend ranked high among conservatives and libertarians. It's been working already in conservative Alaska since the 80's based on oil revenue. The only difference is extending that to the rest of the nation via technology revenue. 

 

Here's some more commentary about it's libertarian appeal and other issues: 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Burnedout said:

You can dispute me, fine, but I think that Trump is going to win re-election in 2020.  There is no strong candidate that the Dems have. Bernie was fucked and he will be fucked again by the party establishment, besides, there were some rules passed to prevent him from running as a Democrat.  AOC is making the left wing of the party look like foaming at the mouth idiots.  Nancy Pelosi acts at times like she has dementia.  Of course there is Maxine Waters calling for violence and that does not help the brand name for the Democratic party. The only realistic candidate to me is Joe Biden, mainly because that is who the party establishment, big money donors, and the power brokers of the party can back.  Even at that, Joe is not a strong candidate.  Who else is next?  Hillary Clinton, I don't see her getting at with all the loathing of her by the far left of the party.  There really is nobody with the name recognition and the upstarts are looking like radicals on LSD.  

 

Like I said, I think Trump walks away with the election as it stands now.

 

Ultimately you're probably right. I would be surprised if Trump didn't win, regardless of the other efforts. 

 

But I do like seeing non-establishment candidates popping up in the wake of Trump doing it. It will be interesting to see if a guy like Yang can sour past Sanders and Biden as old guard establishment relics which don't have traction with today's voting populace. Yang basically took in what Trump did, and launched a left wing response to it. By not playing identity politics and sticking to reasonable conversation and platforms he seems to be winning over fans at the Young Turks, Dave Pakman, Joe Rogan and Sam Harris just to name a few. I'll be following this closely as it unfolds....

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