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Why do we have to suffer in hell if we didnt choose to believe in god when it is adam and eve who ate the fruit that cause humans to be "sinful"?

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Why does god allow Adam and Eve to reproduce as that only leads to generations and generations of sinner that leads to many people ending up in hell? Why do god love us but also allow others to suffer? Why can hear bear such a pain for the people suffering in hell and dont just stop all these things from happening,less pain and dramas. Its also basically not rlly our fault that we are sinners because adam and eve made the wrong choice that lead us into these. If adam and eve didnt eat the fruit,we would be sin-free.

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Later in the bible, you'll find verses (Ezekiel 18:20) stating that the child shall not pay for the sins of the father.  Not that it matters though as the whole book is one contradiction after another as anyone who's even casually studied it knows.  The original writers of Genesis just needed a reason to state that we had a built in defect.  Without this, they couldn't sell us their solution (atonement for sins) so thus, the concept of our sinful nature would have taken root.  Christianity wouldn't have survived with the fear of hell dangling over it's believers and you will find that other successful religions tend to have some sort of punishment in the afterlife for not adhering to their rules.

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3 hours ago, RealityCheck said:

Later in the bible, you'll find verses (Ezekiel 18:20) stating that the child shall not pay for the sins of the father.  Not that it matters though as the whole book is one contradiction after another as anyone who's even casually studied it knows.  The original writers of Genesis just needed a reason to state that we had a built in defect.  Without this, they couldn't sell us their solution (atonement for sins) so thus, the concept of our sinful nature would have taken root.  Christianity wouldn't have survived with the fear of hell dangling over it's believers and you will find that other successful religions tend to have some sort of punishment in the afterlife for not adhering to their rules.

Yep,most religion included the idea of hell even though they claim that we have the "free-will" but is subconsciously pressurising us. Its just manipulation

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It's mythology, allegory and not factual or historical. Trying to make sense of the story is fruitless and frustrating.

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18 hours ago, florduh said:

It's mythology, allegory and not factual or historical. Trying to make sense of the story is fruitless and frustrating.

 I would say that myths and allegories usually portray a lot of meaning. A myth without meaning is fruitless and frustratring though.

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1 hour ago, Myrkhoos said:

 I would say that myths and allegories usually portray a lot of meaning. A myth without meaning is fruitless and frustratring though.

Exactly,especially when christians keep giving reasoning that doesnt make sense

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The original sin doctrine was invented to shift the blame from god onto humans. It’s an excuse for god’s inaction on the suffering in the world.

 

A myth is a story that tries to make sense of the world. Many religions and ancient civilisations have their own creation myths and explanations for suffering in the world, eg. inherited sin via reincarnation.

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On 5/21/2019 at 8:24 AM, adelena4luv said:

Exactly,especially when christians keep giving reasoning that doesnt make sense

 

It never will make any sense. 

 

I suggest launching into studying and researching for yourself how these mythological concepts started and then evolved over time. Below is an answer to the issue of the serpent and the initial act of "sin," and then leading forward through time revealing the details that went into this evolving mythological concept of both "sin" and "satan," along with "hell" and other associated concepts. 

 

 

 

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On 5/19/2019 at 2:34 PM, adelena4luv said:

Why does god allow Adam and Eve to reproduce as that only leads to generations and generations of sinner that leads to many people ending up in hell? Why do god love us but also allow others to suffer? Why can hear bear such a pain for the people suffering in hell and dont just stop all these things from happening,less pain and dramas. Its also basically not rlly our fault that we are sinners because adam and eve made the wrong choice that lead us into these. If adam and eve didnt eat the fruit,we would be sin-free.

Did God say Adam & Eve (Or their descendents) would end up in hell for eating the delicious forbidden fruit? No he didn't, it was some dick weed in the New Testament that said that buybull.

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So I think it's clear it's bollocks, in reality.

 

However, from within the hive mind, and specifically within your mainstream, Dispensational Evangelical theology as taught at places like Dallas or Fuller Seminaries, this is the way it was taught to us - and you'll recognize it as an amalgamation of concepts gleaned and cleaned from the vaguest potential references throughout the bible:

 

1.) Humans, being made in the Triune God's image, are made up of Body (physical self), Soul (mind/will/emotions), and Spirit (the part of your personhood that is capable of being relating to and being connected to God.)

2.) When Adam and Eve sinned, they, as God promised (read: threatened), *died* - not physically, but spiritually. Their spirit was dead, and they were no longer connected to God and perfect, and had to be driven from the Garden.

3.) In the same way that we inherit our parents' eye color, hair color, and other genetic features, we inherit their state of being dead in sin. So it's not that we're being punished for their sin, but rather that they proffered on us this state of Death that can only be restored by the work of Christ on the Cross.

4.) So then when you *accept Jesus* and the Holy Spirit *indwells* you, your Spirit is resurrected and you are reconnected to God. That is the only way this can be corrected under the New Covenant.

5.) Supposedly all those who died under the Old Covenant but followed YHWH faithfully enough, were retroactively restored by this same "finished" work.

 

So that's how they got around that conversation. It wasn't a manner of punishment, it was a matter of parentage. 

 

Of course, YVMV, depending on your sect or denomination, but that's how it was fed to us.

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     God fully punished Adam, Eve and the serpent at the time of the transgression.  Everyone is fully aware of this.  In short Adam had to work the land, Eve had the pain in pregnancy and the serpent lost its legs and got to eat dirt.  All this while being tossed out of the garden (since they were gardeners this was no good).  Oh, and they couldn't eat from the Tree of Life which was a secret right up until then.

 

     This is the same thing with Cain and Abel.  God comes to Cain and explains to him what sin is just prior to his killing Abel.  He explains that it is like a beast crouching at the door and it is something that he can overcome.

 

     These things are far different from later interpretations.  The idea that people are a slave to sin makes no sense compared to what GOD himself says here.  I know that old jesus says this but they're not compatible ideas.  And he's not original anyhow.  These ideas probably come from some earlier Jewish writings.  Anyhow, god says one is there is a wild beast (of some sort) that you can defeat if you fight against it and the other is you're enslaved by a master who you must serve and cannot easily escape through your own will.  Essentially, one is a matter of personal will power and the other is an external power.

 

     The way the story is laid out god comes to the first person who is actually going to sin because it's the perfect opportunity to make this explanation of the nature of sin.  In real life the best way to do this would have been to tell someone who now has a "sin nature"' is when you curse them with that nature.  That doesn't happen in the story.  Their punishment includes no such thing.  Sin isn't explained that way and is only introduced just prior to the fratricide where it is relevant.

 

          mwc

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