Why did god even create us in the first place knowing that we have to suffer because of sin?

[adelena4luv]

Doesnt that make him selfish and love selfish(he said love is selfless and he is love) because all of this is for his pleasure? Wouldnt he love us so much to not create us so we wouldnt suffer instead of creating us to satisfy his needs for wanting a relationship because of his "love" for us? So we live only for him if not we go to hell? 

[disillusioned]

The entire story is one of us existing only for his pleasure. He made us in his image. He created us to satisfy his love for himself. To put it crudely, we are an act of celestial masturbation. Or so the story goes.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

1 hour ago, disillusioned said:

To put it crudely, we are an act of celestial masturbation. 

And god wanted to be one of us so badly that he became a motherfucker to do it.

[Geezer]

According to the Gospel story. In order for God to save the world (that he’d previously all but destroyed). God impregnated Himself in the womb of a virgin teenage girl so that He could become human. An angel told the girl what was happening and who was in her womb. But...according to the story, the girl seems to have forgotten who her baby really is.

 

The girl has additional children but they don’t appear to know that their brother is God,.....except for one named James but it takes him a long time to figure out who his brother really is. When James finally figures out his brother is God that had to have make him like the coolest dude among his groupies. He was so proud that his brother is actually God that he wrote a book about it and it’s still in the Bible.

 

The plan apparently is for God to become human and then allow other humans to kill him in the most horrific way. But lots of other humans died this way too, so it wasn’t a unique death. So, God allows humans to kill him, and for a few hours God doesn’t actually exist. Can humans actually kill God or was God just pretending to be dead? We will never know.

 

Anyway, God comes back to life, or stops pretending to be dead, we’ll never know for sure, and hangs out with humans for awhile to prove He came back to life....or to prove humans couldn’t really kill Him...whatever. Anyway, God’s plan was to make Himself the ultimate sacrifice for sin and that somehow allowed him to forgive sin......because the blood of sacrificed animals just wasn’t getting the job done.

 

So God, in front of lots of folks, ascended back up into Heaven, but promised He’d come back in person real soon.....that was over two thousand years ago and mankind is still waiting for God’s return. Not to worry though, because a thousand years is but a day to God, so His return could be millions of years into the future, cause that would be like a week for God. So don’t fret, He will return....someday, because the Bible says He will, ya just gotta believe. 

 

And when God returns He is goanna make some really cool neighborhoods for all His believers to live in. And all they gotta do is stand around His throne and sing praises to Him.....forever. Now, how cool will that be?

[mwc]

     God created man to be a gardener.

 

     God didn't even have the foresight to create a mate for this guy.  He first ran all newly created critters by him to see if any of them would do and, when they wouldn't, he broke down and fashioned up a rib woman.  Humans are the only thing on earth that weren't both made from scratch during the creation week as a mating pair.  Women were an afterthought.  It's not like he's pulling ribs out of ducks when he realized he's only got one of those and then trying to see if that duck will go ahead and be cool getting in a three way with whatever else he has lying around.  Maybe the crocodile?  The world needs crocoducks but that's another story.  I guess animals could talk and cross-breed back then?  I suppose that's how the snake got it's legs?  Anyway, I've wondered off my point a bit.

 

     I know this isn't news.  What it shows is that this god isn't really thinking all those steps ahead like xians are telling everyone he is.  God had no clue he should make both men and women.  He tried to get man to hook up with whatever he had lying around.  When that failed he didn't bother to create woman from scratch but cobble one together from a rib.

 

     And their job was still to be gardeners.

 

          mwc

 

[florduh]

Apparently the god character in the Bible is not all knowing after all. He often "corrects" his mistakes. Trying to make sense of the Christian narrative is more difficult than getting a handle on the Xenu tale.

[Joshpantera]

On 6/15/2019 at 9:35 AM, Geezer said:

And when God returns He is goanna make some really cool neighborhoods for all His believers to live in. And all they gotta do is stand around His throne and sing praises to Him.....forever. Now, how cool will that be?

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Revelation 22

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

 

A trove of yes men and women, praising the ego of a very needy narcissistic deity. With his name in their foreheads as they sing, and sing, and sing their hearts out for eternity. But, ONLY if the holy spirit happened to predetermine that they would be found worthy and inspired them to THE TRVTH! Only the select, among the select are the TRVE christians! All of the rest, well, misguided souls who weren't credulous and submissive enough to make the cut! The great omni everything deity has no room for self thinkers, thank you very much. It'll be nothing but groveling around singing, and singing praise forever without end in blasting, ceaseless light free and clear of any darkness or night!!!!

 

What an awesome after life!!!!!!!

[Tsathoggua9]

You can think of creation as a ill-conceived science experiment by a brain-damaged celestial toddler. That might help.   

[Justus]

On 5/18/2019 at 11:57 PM, adelena4luv said:

Why did god even create us in the first place knowing that we have to suffer because of sin?

 

Since the only God worth placing any worth in would need to be eternal since any God that hasn't always existed wouldn't be eternal,  and if not eternal then wouldn't be reasonably expected to exist without end.   So how do you conclude that man on earth was created by the eternal God?