Moderator Hierophant Posted June 20, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 20, 2019 Testimonials from people claiming they were given a divine tour of hell always make me second guess myself. Here is an example of what I am talking about here: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1430916623729289&id=100004328940031&sfnsn=mo&s=1428043706&w=y I know I broached this topic before, but this video will help elucidate what makes me pause and consider what I am hearing. What I find most compelling about these anecdotal pieces of evidence is the sheer conviction of the person speaking. Personally, I am not inclined to believe the guy is lying about this story, i.e., he invented it from whole cloth and he knows it. He strikes me as being genuinely convinced it occurred. I found this to be true for other testimonials from evangelicals who stated they were sent to hell and Jesus brought them back to warn us, etc. The testimonial is persuading because of the confidence of the speaker; at least I find it convincing. What I also find odd is that the primary source of these stories is from the evangelical/apologetic camp. If you do a quick Goggle search on NDEs or visits to hell during NDE, you do not really see anything from Judaism, Islam, or the eastern religions. What you will find is a lot of stories about people from other religions meeting Jesus during an NDE. I am not really sure what to make of that one. It could be my search is corrupted since I am pinging a US IP address. I wish there was a way to investigate these claims. Something about Christianity that bothers me is that I cannot for sure put it to bed. There is always a niggling doubt that some how, some way, there is something true about it. That in of itself brings about a slew of questions: What about it is true? How can we know what is true, etc.? I say this because even if I found these testimonies convincing enough to go back to Christianity, I still could not tell anyone what Christianity really is. There are too many dissenting views on orthodoxy and orthopraxy to have any real confidence I have "the truth." Really it is a matter of believing "just in case." I guarantee all of the individuals who claimed to have went to hell and visited Jesus do not agree on doctrine. So if they really did visit hell, what was the point? If the visit was to bring us back some truth to hold onto, why do they not agree on what that truth is? They essentially agree on the basics, believe in God/Jesus, then repent of your sins; great, but the gospels portray a belief system much more complicated than that. If there is some cosmic being who really does expect us to believe and do certain things, you would think it would make this apparent. What is the purpose of diving hiding if you want something from the human race? Speaking to humans through visions, then having them write and edit an ancient book, followed by providing anecdotal evidence does nothing to help us in the 21st century determine any idea what this God may want. One other point I wanted to mention, ever notice the theme of these stories is just about avoiding punishment? My favorite is how they tell you how terrible hell is, just to be followed up by "God loves you." I find that laughable. Anyone who loved me would not create a torture chamber for me to hang out in eternally. That is an absurd notion...."God loves you while you are alive on planet earth, but if you do not happen to pass the theology exam and happen to sift out some hidden reality before you die, then you are going to be tortured forever." How can these two thoughts even exists in someone's mind at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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