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2 hours ago, Georgia said:

The round earth model is key way of dismissing biblical creation- it's a trick of Satan to have everyone believe your lucky to even exist in this universe we are being thrown through on this crazy spinning ball flying through infinite space!! Your a product of coincidence, your ancestor was nothing more than an Ape! Your being is not Divine it's just through mere coincidence and luck!! Your insignificant and have no purpose to even be here.. that's what the round earth model does to people. The church has also been controlled and teaches the round earth.. people will believe in aliens before God! I find that really sad 

 

Late to arrive! Thanks LF. 

 

Georgia, greetings. Are you serious right now? Did you come here pushing flat earth cosmology? 

 

If so maybe I can use this as an example in the current debate: 

 

I have been trying to point out to @LuthAMF that the geocentric model existed because of Genesis 1. You obviously agree. You reject the heliocentric model of the solar system in favor of the old geocentric, flat round disk shaped earth with a domed sky over head of Genesis 1 (illustrated as above).

 

Now the christian apologist in the debate is trying to disagree with you about Genesis and the earth it would seem. As far as I can tell, he seems to think that Genesis is NOT talking about a geocentric model. But it is. You know that it is. So instead of trying to make Genesis 1 conform to modern scientific knowledge, you instead reject modern scientific knowledge (heliocentric solar system model) in favor of "keeping it real" with the geocentric model described in Genesis 1. Luth, in your case, is a christian who has been fooled by the devil into believing that the earth is spherical. And further, I suppose, fooled by the devil into believing that the spherical earth is referred to by the author of Genesis 1:1 

 

 

So what's the deal you two? 

 

Which of you is correct about Genesis 1 and which is wrong? 

 

Please, the both of you, do tell. Thanks. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Georgia said:

I question everything I read, I do not just believe what I have been told. It took me a very long time to understand the nature of Jesus Christ, it took me a very very long time to reject the worlds view of creation and life. This is not blind faith with no research or searching being done . I am not uneducated, I studied evolution for years, I have a full working Knowledge of the mind as I also studied neuropsychology and I now work within mental health. 

 

Why would someone want to read terrible stories like the Flood, Abraham and Isaac, the story of Job, as if God is doing some wonderful thing? How do we square Hosea 13:16 with 'goodness?' --- These are events which happened and helped to shape the world as we know it. You are judging the bible through human logic and reasoning, it's not possible for you to do so, neither you or I are the creator so you will never get an answer that satisfies you because it's beyond your human reasoning. As I said when you read the bible through your flesh you will not understand truth. You need to understand the nature of suffering before we comment on how good or bad god is

 

Why would it take a long time to understand the nature of Jesus Christ? That seems odd. On the other hand, programming ones self from scratch to believe this stuff may take a long time. You would have to overcome and dismiss common sense, logic, and scientific knowledge that conflicts with the Christian fantasy. 

 

As a mental health worker do you use secular or religious therapy to help your patients?

 

 

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3 hours ago, Georgia said:

 

People can go to church their whole lives and never experience the holy spirit or what it means to be fulfilled. It's not about worship per say, it's about lifestyle, choices, thought patterns, prayer for the right things. Jesus and his disciples did not go to church! They lived a life of constant teaching and spread the good news. I cannot say why you never felt the holy spirit, each person has their own relationship with God, it's very personal to each. Only you can figure out what was causing the blockage between yourself and him. In my case, it was vanity, I was consumed by having power over men through my looks, I never stopped to think of the consequences it had- simply being what i thought was harmfully flirty with men and making them like my outself was what was blocking my connection with the Lord. Being a Christian is an active job, it's constant, it's the longest therapy session you will ever be in! Experiencing the Holy Spirit is about believing you have it- 

I assure you that whoever tells this hill to get up and throw itself in the sea and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. For this reason I tell you: when you pray and ask for something, believe that you have received it, and you will be given whatever you ask for. Mark 11:23‭-‬24 

 

 

 

 

It's all up to me to figure out what the issue is between myself and the Holy Spirit? The Spirit sure as heck isn't going to get involved in this relationship. That's really a sad excuse. :) It's almost like you're having a relationship with yourself then. What is the difference between pretending it's real and it really being real? Oh wait, you answered that :

 

"Experiencing the Holy Spirit is about believing you have it.... " OMG. That's quite true, isnt it. That's the entire basis for the Christian faith as well. Believing some nonsense is true. It's real cuz I believe it's real. I could do that with anything, pagan gods, invisible pink unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters, etc. 

 

If I believe the Holy Spirit is false, then I suppose it is banished. There's an interesting thread in the Ex-Christian Spirituality section about synchronicity and  Kirby Surprise's (a psychologist) take on creating your own personal events. If I believe in religious things and spend time wishing for them to manifest, then religious things will begin to appear in my life. If I believe in Star Wars, then Star Wars things will appear...whatever you obsess about think about, manifests in some small way...kind of fascinating. Neither he nor I feel that Christianity is true, however. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Georgia said:

What is gravity? What is air? Invisible forces that you believe in! You believe your spinning on a ball flying through space which is expanding at how many crazy miles an hour !! This is beyond human reasoning, who do we stay alive and why don't we feel us spinning? This is also beyond our reasoning but it's accepted by millions of people  (I believe in a flat earth, I'm using this for the round earth believers). It's not a cop out, it's a fact.. there are things which occur beyond our reasoning and you have accepted many of them- gravity, space, time etc, you just don't believe the reasoning of God

 

 

This one is scientifically illiterate, and deeply infected with a rather virulent strain of the God Virus™.

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21 minutes ago, sdelsolray said:

This one is scientifically illiterate, and deeply infected with a rather virulent strain of the God Virus™.

 

It seems to go beyond just god-virus. There are plenty of people infected with very strong God-virus who don't go full on tin-foil.

 

@Georgia I'm guessing the moon landing was a hoax, evolution was invented to destroy God and either A) Man walked with dinosaurs, or b) dinosaur bones are planted by the devil to deceive us?

 

Also those things you listed are not beyond our reasoning - the reason we know about them is BECAUSE of our reasoning.

 

It's amazing - you know if you punched into Google the very questions you asked you'd quickly get answers. Amazballs.

 

Also, if you start at one point of earth and travel in a straight line for long enough you will end up where you started. How does this happen on a flat earth?

 

Why when I take a picture of the moon in the southern hemisphere and someone else takes a picture of the moon in the northern hemisphere when you look at the images they appear upside down - like it would be if you were on a sphere looking at the same object from different angles?

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36 minutes ago, sdelsolray said:

This one is scientifically illiterate, and deeply infected with a rather virulent strain of the God Virus™.

 

She's really smart, just like Calvin's dad:

 

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35 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:

 

It seems to go beyond just god-virus. There are plenty of people infected with very strong God-virus who don't go full on tin-foil.

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"[A] rather virulent strain of the God Virus™" includes tin-hat nutters, although, like you, I was trying to first see what other new entertainment this new chew toy may provide.

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11 hours ago, Georgia said:

No one is exempt from the love of God, it's a difficult path, it's not easy and sometimes not everything will be in your favour but that doesn't mean that I don't speak of Love because what I am saying is not in your favour or moral code. 

I find this rather patronizing and offensive. Having been on this forum for several years I find the members here have a strong moral code that is moral merely because it is right. And treating other people right is not exclusive to Christianity, as some Christians seem to think.

 

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12 hours ago, florduh said:

Should be in the Den, shouldn't be in the Den......... let's see, whom should I strive to please.........

 

ME, I would assume, since this is my post about my story that I posted to get information and support, and now I find it moved to a debate forum with pages of posts that have nothing to do with my story! I'd be very grateful if you would move my thread back into the original folder, and delete these pages of debate, so that this thread can go back to being what it's supposed to be about, ME and what I've been going through!

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12 hours ago, Georgia said:

@nontheistpilgrim

 

@Citsonga

 

It is a fact not a judgement or opinion. There are millions of Christians world wide who are not authentic because they use Christ as a blanket to harm others...

 

And imposing your mythology on us is also using "Christ" to harm us.

 

Therefore, by your own definition, you are not a True Christian.™  :HaHa:

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1 hour ago, Hole_In_My_Heart said:

 

ME, I would assume, since this is my post about my story that I posted to get information and support, and now I find it moved to a debate forum with pages of posts that have nothing to do with my story! I'd be very grateful if you would move my thread back into the original folder, and delete these pages of debate, so that this thread can go back to being what it's supposed to be about, ME and what I've been going through!

 

I feel for you. I'm so sorry that this thread was derailed by a nutjob. I spoke up for you on the first page and pointed out that it was a bad decision to move this thread to the Lion's Den. I'm not sure why that was done, but it should not have happened. You deserve much better than this.

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HIMH...I quoted and responded to Georgia's comment, therefore I contributed to the derailment of your thread. My apologies.

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20 minutes ago, Derek said:

HIMH...I quoted and responded to Georgia's comment, therefore I contributed to the derailment of your thread. My apologies.

 

Yeah, a few of us are guilty of that.  

 

In hindsight the best response was to PM the mods rather than quote and tag mods in a post.

 

Now we've gone to flat earth tinfoilism so this thread is well off the beaten track I'm afraid.

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For my part, I felt that Georgia's original post was too preachy for the Testimonials forum; and constituted the kind of proselytizing that belongs only in The Den.  The thread itself, without all the arguments, was a good addition to the Testimonials forum. 

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I vote with Hole-in-my-heart. This thread has been hijacked and that's not fair to the o.p.

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Thank you all for your support of my thread! Unfortunately, there is no way to get it restored, I did try, so I hope you'll all join me in the reposted version of this thread: 

 

 

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Some wanted it moved here, others thought there was better. Some wanted the thread surgically cleaned up. I'm a mod, not a maid. There is no pleasing everyone. I am not inclined to extensively redact threads but would rather let people respond in the Den when there is a Christian invader. There is always the option of starting a new thread wherever one wants.

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On 7/29/2019 at 12:30 AM, midniterider said:

 

Why would it take a long time to understand the nature of Jesus Christ? That seems odd. On the other hand, programming ones self from scratch to believe this stuff may take a long time. You would have to overcome and dismiss common sense, logic, and scientific knowledge that conflicts with the Christian fantasy. 

 

As a mental health worker do you use secular or religious therapy to help your patients?

 

 

 

What's logical about the nature of our existence in absence of God? I admit the church has done a great job of separating science and god, but he is the creator there for physics, biology, chemisty are all products of his creation , therefore scientists are just uncovering his creation.

Science can explain what it is but it can't explain why it is or why we are here. But the bible can..

 

I don't work in clinical mental health, I work in social mental health. I work in a holistic manner not in a clinical way. 

 

It takes awhile to understand the nature of Christ because we have to connect with him not through flesh but spirit 

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On 7/29/2019 at 12:52 AM, midniterider said:

 

It's all up to me to figure out what the issue is between myself and the Holy Spirit? The Spirit sure as heck isn't going to get involved in this relationship. That's really a sad excuse. :) It's almost like you're having a relationship with yourself then. What is the difference between pretending it's real and it really being real? Oh wait, you answered that :

 

"Experiencing the Holy Spirit is about believing you have it.... " OMG. That's quite true, isnt it. That's the entire basis for the Christian faith as well. Believing some nonsense is true. It's real cuz I believe it's real. I could do that with anything, pagan gods, invisible pink unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters, etc. 

 

If I believe the Holy Spirit is false, then I suppose it is banished. There's an interesting thread in the Ex-Christian Spirituality section about synchronicity and  Kirby Surprise's (a psychologist) take on creating your own personal events. If I believe in religious things and spend time wishing for them to manifest, then religious things will begin to appear in my life. If I believe in Star Wars, then Star Wars things will appear...whatever you obsess about think about, manifests in some small way...kind of fascinating. Neither he nor I feel that Christianity is true, 

The holy spirit is an essence of God and you develop your individual relationship so yes you do have to figure it out, it's a two way relationship, you have a choice not to believe but if you chose to then you must look at yourself and understand what blocks you from building your own special relationship.

 

Go ahead and believe in pink uniforms and pagan gods, yes you will create your own reality but you will be spiritually dead. Receiving the holy spirit actually brings a lot of challenges your way, when you accept Christ truly you will be attacked spiritually by satan and it's not easy. It's not just as simple as believing in pink unicorns then u so happen to notice them more in your daily life and then you conclude it's a sign and make your own judgements. the holy spirit comes with grace but also a huge challenge.

 

Have you ever tried to believe with your heart not your head?

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8 minutes ago, Griffin said:

 

I don't know if this helps, but from a website I know is this:

 

"If any religion were from an omnipotent god, children would be born without the need to infect them. All three religions have been around long enough if any were natural it would have manifested in children first. For example, if Christianity were it, children born in Muslim countries would tell their parents how Islam is man-made as soon as they could talk and so it would be for the other religions forced onto children without any real consent of understanding from the child. When a child is taught the family religion, he or she will assume those teachings are correct because why would parents lie to their children? And so another child will go out into the world and chastise people that don't believe what they believe. That is not the work of love and unity. That is the work of divide and conquer."

 

 

You are correct! Divide and Conquer, that's the devil alright.. how do you destroy faith ? By making so many they all seem bullshit! 

 

God made all people with free will, you don't have to believe but it's advised you do. Being an Omnipotent god doesnt mean we have to be told the secrets its for us to seek ourselves. The Bible also predicted other religions and false prophets so teaching children the wrong things was bound to happen.

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I've just read back at some of the comments and noticed some name calling and people being really dismissive of my views. I kindly ask you all to not name call and just stick to the points I am making. Debate with me and tell me your thoughts but there's no need to be rude. I haven't been rude to anyone on here and don't intend to!

 

You all may think my views are nonsensical but please note I think the same of yours but will always be respectful and not judge. 

 

Thanks 

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This proselytizer needs to learn to speak for herself, and not for others.

 

On another point, her incessant mere assertions are shallow and dogmatic, and thus boring.

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3 hours ago, Georgia said:

 

What's logical about the nature of our existence in absence of God?

 

Let me rephrase: There is scientific knowledge that conflicts with the bible. It's being discussed in the Luth vs Josh Pantera thread. Maybe God exists. I'm an agnostic so I'm on the fence. But I think the bible has some false information in it. It does not comport with reality, as other ex-Christians here like to say. The bible says one thing, observed reality disagrees. So in order to believe in bible things like talking donkeys, the nation of Israel living in the desert for 40 years with no archaeological evidence, no Egyptian historical documents mentioning the Hebrew slaves or immaculate conception, then you have to ignore certain bits of logic gained from observing reality. The story of Noah has been analyzed from many angles and found to be found in error. 

 

3 hours ago, Georgia said:

 

I admit the church has done a great job of separating science and god, but he is the creator there for physics, biology, chemisty are all products of his creation , therefore scientists are just uncovering his creation.

Science can explain what it is but it can't explain why it is or why we are here. But the bible can..

 

Enjoy the bible and Jesus. I just dont personally believe the Bible's explanation. 

 

3 hours ago, Georgia said:

 

It takes awhile to understand the nature of Christ because we have to connect with him not through flesh but spirit 

 

The Holy Spirit is like dialup, I guess. :) 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Georgia said:

The holy spirit is an essence of God and you develop your individual relationship so yes you do have to figure it out, it's a two way relationship, you have a choice not to believe but if you chose to then you must look at yourself and understand what blocks you from building your own special relationship.

 

The Holy Spirit could overcome any block, if he existed. What I see is Christians always blaming humans for a lack of relationship with something that isn't real. The Holy Spirit is your imagination and I can't have a relationship with your imagination. I used to believe the Holy Spirit was inside me, now I just think it's nonsense. Maybe it's real, maybe not. All it has to do is announce itself. It's not my issue. The Spirit can make a move. Leave me a note...not a vague note, a real note on real paper that I show to other people...especially these atheists here. 

 

Doubt the spirit will do that because....you probably have a plausible excuse for that. 

 

3 hours ago, Georgia said:

 

Go ahead and believe in pink uniforms and pagan gods, yes you will create your own reality but you will be spiritually dead. Receiving the holy spirit actually brings a lot of challenges your way, when you accept Christ truly you will be attacked spiritually by satan and it's not easy. It's not just as simple as believing in pink unicorns then u so happen to notice them more in your daily life and then you conclude it's a sign and make your own judgements. the holy spirit comes with grace but also a huge challenge.

 

Why does Jesus allow new Christians to be attacked by satan? Thanks, Jesus! 

 

3 hours ago, Georgia said:

 

Have you ever tried to believe with your heart not your head?

 

Yes, I was a Jesus loving Pentecostal for 10 years and I walked the walk and talked the talk and all the other cliches of Christianity. I felt the Holy Spirit (well, here in ex-c world we call it adrenaline and dopamine) many times while praising his name, and in church choir, and while quietly reading scripture. I thought I had something other people didn't have. I got fired up at Promise Keepers, taught Sunday School. I got programmed by the church real good.

 

Then later I discovered the Holy Spirit was in reality a brain chemical that makes you feel good. You can cause the same chemical release other ways. The gentle guidance you attribute to the HS is really yourself. You are your own HS. 

 

I'm happy in my spiritual path. My path is being free to believe what I want. I don't care much for supernatural authorities. Especially if they rely on people to pass their message along. 

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