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6 minutes ago, TruthSeeker0 said:

Well I don't think it's at all surprising that this god only "reached out" to the people who lived at the time these documents were written. Of course millions of people nowadays are ok with thinking that god somehow "reached out" to them because some good thing happened in life, like they found a parking spot or they were cured of cancer. Some people just can't live with uncertainty and fall into whatever belief system they were raised with. 

Yeah a rational mind can think that way, but alas, my mind is not rational right now.

 

Another thing I don't understand... people argue that if we sin against God, it is an infinite sin against an infinite God so we must pay the penalty for that. However, those who are "washed in the blood" continue to sin their entire lives. I mean no one can go an entire day and not "sin." So how are their "sins" really being atoned for. I know the answer is Jesus covers their sins. But then they get a free pass. Where as they still sinned... against an infinite God... 

 

Also Jesus just died. He didn't go to hell for eternity which makes me think the literal punishment for sin is death. Right?

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Also another thing that I have been struggling with about all these people who have died and went to "hell."  Which has made me stop and say what if....Well if the Bible is true, no one is in hell right now. Everyone is asleep until judgement day. Satan and his demons are apparently on the earth. But no souls are being tormented in hell right now because according to the scripture, no one will rise until judgement day, so that means no one is in heaven right now too. I would think. Just based on scripture. (Again saying if the Bible is true)

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3 hours ago, Kdeaustin said:

Yeah a rational mind can think that way, but alas, my mind is not rational right now.

 

Another thing I don't understand... people argue that if we sin against God, it is an infinite sin against an infinite God so we must pay the penalty for that. However, those who are "washed in the blood" continue to sin their entire lives. I mean no one can go an entire day and not "sin." So how are their "sins" really being atoned for. I know the answer is Jesus covers their sins. But then they get a free pass. Where as they still sinned... against an infinite God... 

 

Also Jesus just died. He didn't go to hell for eternity which makes me think the literal punishment for sin is death. Right?

The infinite sin thing serves a handy purpose: just another way of trying to put this god beyond critism or judgement. 

I don't know if it would help to tell you that if you grew up Muslim you'd be having similar struggles with leaving your Muslim faith. Only difference is this is your religious inheritance so you're struggling with this. Rather a coincidence that most people believe how their parents did, wouldn't you say? The hand of god in all that stuff is rather non apparent. It's an accident of birth. 

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13 hours ago, TruthSeeker0 said:

 

It might seem disastrous right now, but one day you may be very grateful for your questioning and curious personality. 

 

 

I would only change one word in that statement.  You WILL be very grateful.  At least I have been, and more so as the years go by.  At 78 years of age I no longer fear death.  Like you, I have always been very curious, and more than once lately it has occured to me that maybe my curosity about life after death wil be answered.  HA!  If there is consciousness!  But either way, the fear is gone.

 

I think the final straw for me with de-conversion was when it occurred to me that my faith in Christianity was determined by being born into it, and conditioned into it.  If I had been born in a Muslim country, into a devout Muslim family, I would have believed that was the truth.  Or whatever I had been conditioned into.   That is when it became so clear to me that religion was fabricated by mankind.

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1. Interpreting the Bible is really something. There literally thousands of books about it. The Bible seems to mention hell. https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Hell&qs_version=NKJV

 

 

But this is a trap. Remember that many confessions of christianity have different opinions and many other sources than JUST the bible as in many personal testimonies.

 

2. Sinning . One has to define sin first . But any kind of mystake cannot hurt God or damage him in any way. This is usual theology. So God cannot be offended, neither angry, neither sad and naither happy or joyous. Because he cannot be affected or influenced by actions of created beings. So if you do something against an infintely invulnerable , loving, poerful God it would mean that your sin equals 0, not infinite. I mean if you hit a woman, as a man, your damage is greater than hitting a man and so the so called retribution. If you hit your child, or your husband, chances are your husband suffers a lot less. The legal system in the US recognizes this and for example child rape is far worse that adult rape. The punishment is equal to the damage inflicted on the other party. But God, cannot, I repeat, cannot, by sheer definition, be hurt, so you inflict 0 damage on him whatsoever. Like punching air or smth. 

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