fallenleaf Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, dozer said: prayers fairies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, fallenleaf said: fairies but he keeps responding. there is some underlying issue . take care sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LogicalFallacy Posted January 31, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, fallenleaf said: fairies Are we playing one word game now? I'll play: Fantasy: In all seriousness I'm not sure where to go from here. @dozer seems intent on attempting to psychoanalyse us while at the same time completing ignoring the issues raised, and responding with short meaningless posts. I thought I'd raised some serious basic questions about epistemology but instead we are meet with insincere tripe about being lost and anxious. @dozer I'll ask you a question which you should be able to answer, and in fact the bible exhorts you to do. (Be ready to give reasons for the faith you have) So with that in mind: Why should we believe in your God? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallenleaf Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Yep, seems like he's unable to actually have a conversation and is just resorting to shorter and shorter (and more meaningless) responses. I can play that game with the best of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, fallenleaf said: Yep, seems like he's unable to actually have a conversation and is just resorting to shorter and shorter (and more meaningless) responses. I can play that game with the best of them. playing games sir? you can resort to that if you want. I can stay high and you can go low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallenleaf Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I already had bet good money on the fact that you were high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said: Are we playing one word game now? I'll play: Fantasy: In all seriousness I'm not sure where to go from here. @dozer seems intent on attempting to psychoanalyse us while at the same time completing ignoring the issues raised, and responding with short meaningless posts. I thought I'd raised some serious basic questions about epistemology but instead we are meet with insincere tripe about being lost and anxious. @dozer I'll ask you a question which you should be able to answer, and in fact the bible exhorts you to do. (Be ready to give reasons for the faith you have) So with that in mind: Why should we believe in your God? ok i will let Mr Know it all call the shots. You're too smart for me Lodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, fallenleaf said: I already had bet good money on the fact that you were high. shouldnt you swim in the shallow end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallenleaf Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, dozer said: shouldnt you swim in the shallow end? Usually a witty retort is both witty and relevant to what was just said. Maybe they do it differently in Oz. Nah, most Australians that I know are smart, witty, and have a fucking awesome sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, fallenleaf said: Usually a witty retort is both witty and relevant to what was just said. Maybe they do it differently in Oz. Nah, most Australians that I know are smart, witty, and have a fucking awesome sense of humor. thanks. and i hope you are getting help with that anger ..there are better options than venting on internet forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallenleaf Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I'm guessing you don't work directly with people, do you? Because you are terrible at reading the tone of a conversation. You sense anger, anxiety, and fear. But, maybe that is you sensing your own emotions. I am giggling like a school girl. I am having a great time with you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Weezer ◊ Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 hours ago, dozer said: If the idea is to shift my pov from Christian to non Christian , some need to work on their skills of persuasion. sorry gotta go Honestly, why did you come here? Didn't you expect to hear the other side of the coin here? Believe me, we have heard all your arguments. Many of us have spent a lifetime studying religion and searching for truth. 8 hours ago, dozer said: Dostoyevsky said that if God doesn't exist, we can do anything. there is no judgement day, therefore anything is permissible. That sounds too chaotic to me. Unbelief and atheism sounds like chaos to me. I don't like chaos. The doctrine of original sin is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you believe you are wicked, then you likely will be. That is what religious policemen, who offer to sell you salvation, want you to believe so you will buy their product. A humanitarian approach telling you are a valuable part of a whole, have the ability to think rationally, and it is up to you to do what you can to keep things running smoothly, gives you a whole different view of life. You say you are into psychology. Are you familiar with Kohlbergs levels of moral development? Dostoyevsky's idea is that of a toddler doing anything he can get away with. Hopefully you and I and most of the world have grown to a more mature level. You might find that theory interesting. There is a section in my Testimonial that talks about it. There is also a large section on the role of the Catholic church in religion. Best wishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Well he didn't come here to proselytize nor to debate...I see how that worked out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Weezer said: Honestly, why did you come here? Didn't you expect to hear the other side of the coin here? Believe me, we have heard all your arguments. Many of us have spent a lifetime studying religion and searching for truth. The doctrine of original sin is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you believe you are wicked, then you likely will be. That is what religious policemen, who offer to sell you salvation, want you to believe so you will buy their product. A humanitarian approach telling you are a valuable part of a whole, have the ability to think rationally, and it is up to you to do what you can to keep things running smoothly, gives you a whole different view of life. You say you are into psychology. Are you familiar with Kohlbergs levels of moral development? Dostoyevsky's idea is that of a toddler doing anything he can get away with. Hopefully you and I and most of the world have grown to a more mature level. You might find that theory interesting. There is a section in my Testimonial that talks about it. There is also a large section on the role of the Catholic church in religion. Best wishes! ok someone with some knowledge of psychology. nice post though i dont quite get your dismissal of original sin . and i suspect you dont understand Dostoyevsky's point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, fallenleaf said: I'm guessing you don't work directly with people, do you? Because you are terrible at reading the tone of a conversation. You sense anger, anxiety, and fear. But, maybe that is you sensing your own emotions. I am giggling like a school girl. I am having a great time with you. now why would i not be convinced by your assertions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LogicalFallacy Posted January 31, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2020 26 minutes ago, dozer said: ok i will let Mr Know it all call the shots. You're too smart for me Lodge. So you are you able to answer my question? Why should we believe in your God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, LogicalFallacy said: So you are you able to answer my question? Why should we believe in your God? My God has a much better sense of humour. He thinks know it all atheists are just as messed up as know it all Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, dozer said: My God has a much better sense of humour. He thinks know it all atheists are just as messed up as know it all Christians. Why do you have to speak for your God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Or "Why ARE you speaking for your God?" Is he mute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, midniterider said: Or "Why ARE you speaking for your God?" Is he mute? oh that kind of joke is funny here. cant wait to read the humour section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallenleaf Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Why should we believe in your god? It's a valid question, but you have no valid answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, dozer said: oh that kind of joke is funny here. cant wait to read the humour section. Deflect. Redirect. Change the subject. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LogicalFallacy Posted January 31, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, dozer said: My God has a much better sense of humour. He thinks know it all atheists are just as messed up as know it all Christians. So you are you able to answer my question? Why should we believe in your God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said: So you are you able to answer my question? Why should we believe in your God? and yours is humourless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dozer Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, fallenleaf said: Why should we believe in your god? It's a valid question, but you have no valid answers. Looking for more valid ation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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