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I posted this to my Facebook page yesterday:

 

If we’re going to prevent tens of thousands of deaths in this country from this virus, we’ll have to get serious.  Meaning no spectators at indoor sporting events, all the way from big-time to grade school.  Staying out of theaters, concerts and maybe even restaurants.  The “social distancing” we’re starting to hear about.  Some of these measures will probably cause a recession.  But it’s a choice we have to make.  The economy will come back, the dead won’t.

 

Some people responded with “it’s just a hoax to make money for Big Pharma” but most responses were positive.  It looks like many countries are belatedly taking this seriously. 

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Trump's economic plans and proposals in the video? 

 

I'm probably going to look into what the deal is with the small business relief. And how that would boost the economy. I assume he means something similar to Yang's UBI proposal where money is spread around to all locations and boosts local business all around the country at the same time? 

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39 minutes ago, TABA said:

I posted this to my Facebook page yesterday:

 

If we’re going to prevent tens of thousands of deaths in this country from this virus, we’ll have to get serious.  Meaning no spectators at indoor sporting events, all the way from big-time to grade school.  Staying out of theaters, concerts and maybe even restaurants.  The “social distancing” we’re starting to hear about.  Some of these measures will probably cause a recession.  But it’s a choice we have to make.  The economy will come back, the dead won’t.

 

Some people responded with “it’s just a hoax to make money for Big Pharma” but most responses were positive.  It looks like many countries are belatedly taking this seriously. 

There's every reason to take it seriously. Yes it might be mild but if it spreads exponentially ( and it likely will - there's a false sense of security about it) the hospitals will be completely overwhelmed and will not be able to take care of those needing intensive care. That's the situation in Italy on the ground where drastic measures were not taken fast enough to limit contagion. Also we live in a culture where people go to work while sick as they cannot afford not to - that guarantees spread. Imo we are about to find out how inadequately we are prepared for this kind of thing throughout North America. 

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2 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

Trump's economic plans and proposals in the video? 

 

I'm probably going to look into what the deal is with the small business relief. And how that would boost the economy. I assume he means something similar to Yang's UBI proposal where money is spread around to all locations and boosts local business all around the country at the same time? 

 

It remains to be seen how his ideas get translated into reality.  Just the stock market plunge alone is likely to lead to a recession.  Hopefully I’m wrong, or it will be brief and mild at least.  Josh, I hope the best for your particular business and livelihood!  

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I honestly don't mean to get all political here,  but this is where it becomes very apparent that electing someone like Donald Trump was a very bad idea.

 

Conservative,  liberal,  whatever. I don't care.  The person in charge should be intelligent, coherent, literate, capable of telling the truth, and aware of his or her own ignorance where it exists. Trump is none of these. It's been an issue for a while,  but now it's really an issue.

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On 3/12/2020 at 6:33 AM, TruthSeeker0 said:

Also we live in a culture where people go to work while sick as they cannot afford not to - that guarantees spread. Imo we are about to find out how inadequately we are prepared for this kind of thing throughout North America. 

  

I think part of what we are seeing is the consequence of a for-profit medical system that is geared to enriching CEOs and investors. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, older said:

  

I think part of what we are seeing is the consequence of a for-profit medical system that is geared to enriching CEOs and investors. 

 

 

Agree completely. 

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And of course what we are seeing from our government is in effect a "Medicare for all" type of response. 

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10 hours ago, older said:

And of course what we are seeing from our government is in effect a "Medicare for all" type of response. 

It's required - politics is involved - they realize they need to equalize the field here with healthcare during the pandemic or the "socialists" will win the next election. 

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13 hours ago, TruthSeeker0 said:

It's required - politics is involved - they realize they need to equalize the field here with healthcare during the pandemic or the "socialists" will win the next election. 

  

[sarcasm] But, of course, we can't do that when there is no pandemic.... After all, if you can't afford healthcare, you just aren't working hard enough. [/sarcasm]

 

 

Here's an interesting article about all the "vital" regulations that are now being waived because of the virus. But the author says that if these regs can be waived now, then they weren't all that necessary in the first place. The first example is the TSA regulation on liquids — no more than 4 oz. per container. But now you can bring 12 oz. of hand sanitizer. So before, more than 4 oz. gives someone the chance to blow up an airplane, but now a 12 oz. bottle does not give someone the chance to blow up an airplane. Hm. It's a short article and an amusing if not frustrating read.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-tsa-liquid-purell-paid-leave-rules.html?

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Hey, everybody.... everything is going to be OK!!! Don't worry. Here's an article from today's news:

 

         Trump declares Sunday a National Day of Prayer

 

        Hours after declaring a national emergency because of the coronavirus, President Trump suggested the nation look to God for "protection and strength."

          ...
         "No matter where you may be, I encourage you to turn towards prayer in an act of faith. Together, we will easily PREVAIL!" Trump wrote in a follow-up tweet.

 

 

Oh, I feel so much better now. Don't you?

 

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-declares-sunday-a-national-day-of-prayer

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I tell the truth!

This morning I had to call at my partner's church to deliver a bottle of milk. I was met by a man who I know is super-religious, who held out his hand to be shaken. I jumped back and said 'No, we need to be careful, no offence'. He said god would protect us and still held out his hand. What a muffin. And his wife, who is a retired nurse, stayed at home to avoid the crowd at church. With idiots like him even Boris Johnson fades - and I never thought I'd say that. I am so cross.

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Don't worry because Jesus

 

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And, according to the Sacramento Bee, folks are rushing to gun stores to stock up. I suppose if the virus shows up on someone's doorstep, they'd be able to blow it away with their semi-automatic rifle.

 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article241164136.html

 

Wifey went to the market this morning to pick up a few things that we needed. Bottled water aisle: empty. Meat and fish case: empty. Cleaning supplies aisle: empty. Bread aisle: one loaf of raisin bread, total. Two bananas in produce.

 

Well, I've got what I need:

 

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(Don't get me wrong. We do need to take this seriously. But we don't need to fall into complete panic mode over it either.)

 

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On 3/13/2020 at 8:44 PM, disillusioned said:

I honestly don't mean to get all political here,  but this is where it becomes very apparent that electing someone like Donald Trump was a very bad idea.

 

Conservative,  liberal,  whatever. I don't care.  The person in charge should be intelligent, coherent, literate, capable of telling the truth, and aware of his or her own ignorance where it exists. Trump is none of these. It's been an issue for a while,  but now it's really an issue.

Amen, brother!

I am an RN, sitting at home sick with symptoms that are not entirely COVID related, but I cannot get tested despite pleading with the folks on the hotline. I work in 2 facilities: one of them a nursing home with not as much direct care, and also in a hospital where literally all of my patients had respiratory symptoms last week (of course, none of them were tested and no precautions implemented).

Also, the collateral effect is not even being discussed. My GI doctor was closed for routine visits,  instructing all non-routine visits to go to their doctor or the ED,  further unnecessarily congesting EDs. (I didnt go, I'm trying to wait this out til my appointment tomorrow morning so that I minimize my exposure to ED crowds). I couldn't even get lab work done today. I fear I might not get the diagnostic tests I need in a timely manner. What if I were to need a blood transfusion or, heaven forbid, urgent surgery? Is the blood supply safe? Why are we rejecting testing of ANY health care workers? Why are hotlines still asking about travel? I could go on and on with these questions. Trump needs to step aside whenever ANY questions about COVID come up. I want to drag his ass into the hospital to the front line shit that's about to drop. We missed the boat on testing and screening, having supplies ready and having a plan to address all the non-COVID emergencies. God help the person who has a stroke, heart attack, pancreatitis, bleeding ulcer, or even simple dehydration needing a little IV fluid resuscitation. I fear it's going to be a fucking mess and I'm about to do battle as both patient and nurse. Ugh.

 

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Just read an article in Politico, a source I trust, about when Trump's team came in back in January of 2017, they were given a briefing by top officials on how to handle a health pandemic. The article says the Trump people in essence blew off the meeting. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797

 

Here are a couple of cogent grafs:

Asked whether information about the pandemic exercise reached the president-elect, a former senior Trump administration official who attended the meeting couldn’t say for sure but noted that it wasn’t “the kind of thing that really interested the president very much.”

“He was never interested in things that might happen. He’s totally focused on the stock market, the economy and always bashing his predecessor and giving him no credit,” the person said. “The possibility things were things he didn’t spend much time on or show much interest in.

 

And it is well known that John Bolton dismantled the NSC’s global health security and biodefense section. When Trump was asked about it, he said, "I don't know anything about it." Hey, Mr. Trump, it's the National Security Council! As president, you are supposed to know what goes on there! That's a BIG part of your job!

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9 hours ago, freshstart said:

Amen, brother!

I am an RN, sitting at home sick with symptoms that are not entirely COVID related, but I cannot get tested despite pleading with the folks on the hotline. I work in 2 facilities: one of them a nursing home with not as much direct care, and also in a hospital where literally all of my patients had respiratory symptoms last week (of course, none of them were tested and no precautions implemented).

Also, the collateral effect is not even being discussed. My GI doctor was closed for routine visits,  instructing all non-routine visits to go to their doctor or the ED,  further unnecessarily congesting EDs. (I didnt go, I'm trying to wait this out til my appointment tomorrow morning so that I minimize my exposure to ED crowds). I couldn't even get lab work done today. I fear I might not get the diagnostic tests I need in a timely manner. What if I were to need a blood transfusion or, heaven forbid, urgent surgery? Is the blood supply safe? Why are we rejecting testing of ANY health care workers? Why are hotlines still asking about travel? I could go on and on with these questions. Trump needs to step aside whenever ANY questions about COVID come up. I want to drag his ass into the hospital to the front line shit that's about to drop. We missed the boat on testing and screening, having supplies ready and having a plan to address all the non-COVID emergencies. God help the person who has a stroke, heart attack, pancreatitis, bleeding ulcer, or even simple dehydration needing a little IV fluid resuscitation. I fear it's going to be a fucking mess and I'm about to do battle as both patient and nurse. Ugh.

 

 

Sorry to hear this. 

 

My wife is an RN. She's going into work tomorrow night. There aren't any confirmed cases in her unit yet,  so there's that, but I'm honestly more worried about unconfirmed cases right now. We're still trying to figure out exactly what we'll do once she gets exposed. Oh, and she's pregnant,  and we have a 19 month old daughter. 

 

We're in Ontario,  so things are being handled a bit differently here than the States, but even so there is a lot of confusion. I'm just glad that we have income security, at least for now.

 

Stay as safe as you can.

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15 hours ago, disillusioned said:

We're still trying to figure out exactly what we'll do once she gets exposed. Oh, and she's pregnant,  and we have a 19 month old daughter. 

  

Oh shit. We all hope she'll stay safe. And I can probably speak for everyone in saying that we all respect and appreciate the dedication of all the healthcare professionals who are carrying on at great personal risk in the face of this. Please tell her that she is appreciated.

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On 3/17/2020 at 1:24 AM, freshstart said:

Amen, brother!

I am an RN, sitting at home sick with symptoms that are not entirely COVID related, but I cannot get tested despite pleading with the folks on the hotline. I work in 2 facilities: one of them a nursing home with not as much direct care, and also in a hospital where literally all of my patients had respiratory symptoms last week (of course, none of them were tested and no precautions implemented).

Also, the collateral effect is not even being discussed. My GI doctor was closed for routine visits,  instructing all non-routine visits to go to their doctor or the ED,  further unnecessarily congesting EDs. (I didnt go, I'm trying to wait this out til my appointment tomorrow morning so that I minimize my exposure to ED crowds). I couldn't even get lab work done today. I fear I might not get the diagnostic tests I need in a timely manner. What if I were to need a blood transfusion or, heaven forbid, urgent surgery? Is the blood supply safe? Why are we rejecting testing of ANY health care workers? Why are hotlines still asking about travel? I could go on and on with these questions. Trump needs to step aside whenever ANY questions about COVID come up. I want to drag his ass into the hospital to the front line shit that's about to drop. We missed the boat on testing and screening, having supplies ready and having a plan to address all the non-COVID emergencies. God help the person who has a stroke, heart attack, pancreatitis, bleeding ulcer, or even simple dehydration needing a little IV fluid resuscitation. I fear it's going to be a fucking mess and I'm about to do battle as both patient and nurse. Ugh.

 

I was amazed at how similar you sound to UK. We have Trump Puppet Johnson and others who are from the wealthy privileged and know nothing of people on the street.

I've emailed my Member of Parliament today about SPITTING - something I see a lot of in London but not a word has been said so far as I know.

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I got this in a work email recently. I haven't yet verified that all of it is true and I don't like to spread hearsay,  so take this with a grain of salt:

Some good news

-China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.

- Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.

- Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.

- A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.

- Apple reopens all 42 china stores,

- Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.

- Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.

- Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.

- Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

- 3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.

- A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.

- A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.

- Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.

- All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.

- Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.

So it's not all bad news. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vulnerable

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On 3/17/2020 at 6:58 AM, disillusioned said:

We're still trying to figure out exactly what we'll do once she gets exposed. Oh, and she's pregnant,  and we have a 19 month old daughter. 

 

The good news is healthy young women (pregnant or not) and children seem to do pretty well with this virus.  Its still a bit unnerving though. Best to you and your wife!

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34 minutes ago, freshstart said:

 

The good news is healthy young women (pregnant or not) and children seem to do pretty well with this virus.  Its still a bit unnerving though. Best to you and your wife!

 

I know,  and that's not actually what I'm most worried about. We will be fine from a health perspective, even if we do get it. I really don't want to have to figure out a new living situation.

 

The bigger, societal impacts that this will have are more concerning to me at the moment.

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