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I personally am a Tulsi Gabbard supporter. What about the rest of you all, who do you support?

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I was watching Yang from early on. I knew it was a long shot, but here they are now basically taking his "freedom dividend" idea and using it as the economic stimulus package in response to a pandemic. Trump must have recognized that Yang was on to something. Getting $1,000 out to everyone in their home towns across the nation evenly spreads the money out from the ground up across the nation for trickle up, rather than trickle down effect. 

 

One difference is that they won't give it to millionaires or people who don't need it beyond a certain income level. Yang was going to give it to every citizen to do with it what they will, no questions asked. As a rite of citizenship, basically. I would imagine that Yang's at least glad to see that even though the DNC isn't ready for someone like him, his ideas had enough validity for other politicians to then take and try and run with. 

 

As for Sanders or Biden, it would be a cold day in hell before I'd cast a vote for either one of them. Just my opinion. 

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As I understand it, it is an income tax rebate. So if you are below a certain income you would get only $600. If you earned less that $2500 you get nothing. And if you earned $75,000, you'd get $1200. There is also a cutoff for high incomes. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488677-democrats-balk-at-1200-rebate-checks-in-stimulus-plan

 

On 3/19/2020 at 5:50 PM, Joshpantera said:

As for Sanders or Biden, it would be a cold day in hell before I'd cast a vote for either one of them. Just my opinion. 

  

Do you support Trump or some other candidate, or none at all?

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On 3/20/2020 at 11:16 PM, older said:

As I understand it, it is an income tax rebate. So if you are below a certain income you would get only $600. If you earned less that $2500 you get nothing. And if you earned $75,000, you'd get $1200. There is also a cutoff for high incomes. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488677-democrats-balk-at-1200-rebate-checks-in-stimulus-plan

 

  

Do you support Trump or some other candidate, or none at all?

 

To be honest, at this point I see myself opting to vote for Trump. @Bhim Count me in buddy.....

 

I can't even entertain any of the other options. 

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On 3/24/2020 at 7:07 PM, Joshpantera said:

 

To be honest, at this point I see myself opting to vote for Trump. @Bhim Count me in buddy.....

 

I can't even entertain any of the other options. 

  

What draws you to him, and what turns you away from Biden? (I do not want to start a debate. Just curious as to what concerns folks have and why they make the decisions they do.)

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43 minutes ago, older said:

  

What draws you to him, and what turns you away from Biden? (I do not want to start a debate. Just curious as to what concerns folks have and why they make the decisions they do.)

 

I see Biden as less fit to lead, basically. I kind of like having a non-career politician as president. That's why I was eyeing Andrew Yang as a dem potential. Same general thing but coming from the left with libertarian interests included in his appeal.

 

But the DNC is a train wreck and doesn't seem to understand the first thing about who to run against Trump if they want half a chance in the up coming election. That's where I'm at with it. 

 

In another 4 years I'll revisit my opinion. 

 

 

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Thanks for the response, Josh. I'm not that impressed with the DNC either but I think I'm forced to go with Biden. I'm concerned that he's showing the effects of age. But to me, a career politician knows, or should know, how to work the system to get things done. Too many important people have said that Trump has made a mess of things, including some of those who worked for and with him. I did like what little I heard from Yang. 

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At this point with the virus running through politicians, celebs, and musicians, Sanders, Biden, and Pelosi could potentially get it. As could Trump or any of them. This is a real curve ball. It's almost as if we have to stand by and see who's alive come election time......

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Right now I think I'd vote for Cuomo. He's no Mr. Rogers but he knows how to play hardball and get things done.

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And he's not at an age where the stress and magnitude of being president is as pressing a concern as I think it would be with Sanders and Biden. They'd have to endure an absolute shit storm of constant attack from conservatives after everything that's happened recently. Eager to pay back liberals 10 fold for what has happened with Trump. Any skeleton's in any closets being laid bare. Impeachment trials from the outset, I'm sure. The stage has been set for a savage pay back when the next liberal president takes office. Whether that's now or in another 4 years. The natives are restless. 

 

Maybe Cuomo would be better suited to go into this fight. 

 

 

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This observing Kraut sees several candidates with some good ideas and concepts, and tentatively (because he's unlikely to know all the important stuff about all the candidates) would probably support Bernie if he could. And he'd definitely rather die than support the sock puppet of the elites (Biden).

 

Just his 2 cents.

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Isn't just a sad conversation when you aren't comparing the positives, but trying to choose who is the least bad? 

I'm just waiting for Oprah or The Rock to run, you just know that will be a landslide...

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     I'll vote for anything but Trump.  I'll take an empty chair at this point.  It would be far more intelligent and useful.

 

          mwc

 

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Disclaimer: I'm not a US citizen.

 

However, I think it's a sad reflection (Once again 4 years later) that the choices come down to who is the least bad. Biden's kinda more of the same, but with the appearance of appearing doddery too often.

 

Sander's was, I think, the dems best hope. But there is such a strong anti social policies undercurrent in the US that they think Sanders is a communist. In comparison in NZ he'd be center, center right. And no NZ hasn't fallen into a communist state. 

 

I don't see Biden winning, and if he did would much change? The players might change but the tune is the same. Like Josh said, the Reps are going to want payback and will quite happily play the hypocrite and bring unending accusations and trials... then cry foul again when it's their turn again.

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What Sanders proposes is not the current policies of New Zealand or Sweden, or of Venezuela for that matter, but rather the kind of things that brought Britain to its knees in the 1970s and did the same to Sweden by 1990.  I remember how bad it got for them.  Both countries subsequently turned sharply away from Sandersism - thanks to Margaret Thatcher in Britain and Carl Bildt in Sweden - and eventually began to function and even prosper again.  But we don’t teach History anymore so Sanders can get a pass on his voodoo economics from most people under the age of 40.

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Imagine this scenario. Trump wins because there's no good alternative to that outcome. If the media doesn't learn from their mistakes and approach, and if the DNC doesn't realize how to adapt in order to present credible opposition, Mike Pence could be the president following Trump - in the spirit of the Reagan / Bush years. And if it does happen that way, they would all have themselves to blame for it. Because if they can't manage to muster up anything or anyone relevant to winning, they'll continue to lose by default, won't they? 

 

 

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On 3/24/2020 at 9:07 PM, Joshpantera said:

 

To be honest, at this point I see myself opting to vote for Trump. @Bhim Count me in buddy.....

 

I can't even entertain any of the other options. 

@Joshpanteraapologies for my absence the past three or four weeks. I'm curious about your thoughts on Biden's support for his own candidacy over the course of the pandemic.

 

As I've alluded before: I don't consider myself a Trump sycophant. I simply happen to agree with most of his moral positions, and I especially love the combination of his tacit support for Jesus with his implicit denial thereof, via his lifestyle and rhetoric. To provide some contrast, my newly de-converted self would have hated pre-Trump Republicans.

 

(For those who don't believe me, feel free to query my political posts on this forum prior to the rise of Donald Trump. I was as Democrat and leftist as they came. I have become very conservative in recent years, but my hatred of Jesus of Nazareth remains as strong as ever.)

 

Josh, I'm curious what is your opinion on Biden as a candidate. Even setting Trump aside, I'm not certain how anyone can support the Democratic party without being avowed anti-American and pro-Muslim. But given that I am highly partisan in my appraisal of the situation, I am interested in your opinion as well.

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8 hours ago, Bhim said:

Josh, I'm curious what is your opinion on Biden as a candidate. Even setting Trump aside, I'm not certain how anyone can support the Democratic party without being avowed anti-American and pro-Muslim. But given that I am highly partisan in my appraisal of the situation, I am interested in your opinion as well.

 

I don't like Biden at all. I didn't like Hillary at all. Same difference to me. I don't like the DNC at all. I was never a tea party republican, either, prior to Trump. I was in political limbo and opted out for the most part. You know like, apatheism. It was apoliticalism. 

 

What has pulled me in is what you mention. I thought that the last election was a joke. I preferred Trump over Clinton because she's that despicable. I was surprised to see how well the economy took off after the election. I was surprised to see well Trump has done. As I watched the media make complete asses of themselves for the last four years, rabid and transparent in their witch and head hunting of a standing US president, they've solidified my opposition against them all. The blatant anti-American sentiment that has arisen and pro-Muslim attitudes have turned me away the same way that it's turned so many other Americans away over the last four years. The theatrics and antic's in congress have been low level. Sitting around refusing to acknowledge American prosperity (of women, minorities, the handicap, etc.) for hard line partisan reasons make these people look like douche bags on live TV. Everyone sees it. 

 

Many are disgusted beyond belief! 

 

I am one of the many.....

 

 

 

 

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