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Have any of you debated anyone on the fine tuning argument? I was told recently that it is the strongest rational argument for a god, but I don't understand how it's any different than a god of the gaps. Doesn't it just insert God into an unknown variable as if God is the obvious answer because we just don't know better?

 

P.S. I hope everyone is doing well during this pandemic.

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It is essentially going backwards, looking at how life is well adapted to Earth, then saying that since (Earth) life can't exist outside of these parameters, therefore a god (and always specifically the Christian god) made it happen. It's a stupid argument from the get-go and ignores all the evidence we have of adaptations over the millenia. Why adapt if you are perfectly suited to the environment? 

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Have any of you debated anyone on the fine tuning argument? I was told recently that it is the strongest rational argument for a god, but I don't understand how it's any different than a god of the gaps. Doesn't it just insert God into an unknown variable as if God is the obvious answer because we just don't know better?

 

P.S. I hope everyone is doing well during this pandemic.

 

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Hello AcrobaticDetective. :)

 

Yes thanks, we're coping for now with C19.  Not many cases in our area, tho' that's sure to change. We'll adapt.

 

Since arriving at Ex-C I haven't debated with anyone (no Christians, certainly) about this topic.  But I do know that there's a fundamental flaw with the way Christian apologists use it.  Instead of clearly indicating the identity of the finely-tuning agent as the Christian god of the Bible, it actually levels the playing field, enabling anyone of any religious belief to claim that their particular god is responsible.

 

Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sikhs and many others all have equally good claims because they can all employ fine-tuning arguments.  Therefore fine-tuning arguments may be the strongest rational arguments for a god... but which one? 

 

Thank you.

 

Walter. 

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1 hour ago, Fuego said:

It is essentially going backwards, looking at how life is well adapted to Earth, then saying that since (Earth) life can't exist outside of these parameters, therefore a god (and always specifically the Christian god) made it happen. It's a stupid argument from the get-go and ignores all the evidence we have of adaptations over the millenia. Why adapt if you are perfectly suited to the environment? 

 

That's how I saw it too. 

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1 hour ago, WalterP said:

Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sikhs and many others all have equally good claims because they can all employ fine-tuning arguments.  Therefore fine-tuning arguments may be the strongest rational arguments for a god... but which one? 

 

Excellent point. 

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