Edgarcito Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 37 minutes ago, Edgarcito said: This is so much horse shit....and you too TS. If each of you were truly able to see people for who they really are, there would be no in or out of the cave.....you would be able to connect anywhere. And then explain please how your circumstances are superior.....thx. You made it hostile OUTSIDE the cave....boneheads.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 29, 2020 Super Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2020 36 minutes ago, Edgarcito said: You made it hostile OUTSIDE the cave....boneheads.... How so? By demanding that the claims made by cave dwellers be supported by evidence? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 29, 2020 Super Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2020 Besides which, @Edgarcito, how many wars, how much hostility, has been perpetuated by y'all cavemen trying to figure out who has the nicest cave? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgarcito Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 58 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: How so? By demanding that the claims made by cave dwellers be supported by evidence? Your evidence is not definitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgarcito Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 47 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Besides which, @Edgarcito, how many wars, how much hostility, has been perpetuated by y'all cavemen trying to figure out who has the nicest cave? Security, comfort, drives us to dictate conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 29, 2020 Super Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, Edgarcito said: Your evidence is not definitive Your statement is not an answer to the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 29, 2020 Super Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2020 25 minutes ago, Edgarcito said: Security, comfort, drives us to dictate conditions Hatred does, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Edgarcito said: This is so much horse shit....and you too TS. If each of you were truly able to see people for who they really are, there would be no in or out of the cave.....you would be able to connect anywhere. And then explain please how your circumstances are superior.....thx. Come on, Edgarcito...step out of the cave...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 29, 2020 Super Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: How so? By demanding that the claims made by cave dwellers be supported by evidence? Your evidence is not definitive ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The evidence presented in this thread... https://www.ex-christian.net/topic/82597-the-failed-cosmology-of-william-lane-craig/ ...is definitive to show that the claims made by the cave dweller William Lane Craig are false. His claims are not supported by the evidence. His claims were refuted by the evidence in 1998, a decade before he began making them publicly on his site, Reasonablefaith.com Yet he is still making the same, false claims today, twenty two years on. He refuses to step out of the cave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 You made it hostile OUTSIDE the cave....boneheads.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. We didn't do anything to make reality more hostile than it is. We accepted reality for what it is. If you can't deal with reality, please don't blame us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Security, comfort, drives us to dictate conditions ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We cannot dictate what reality must be. We must adapt to it. This process of adaptation is called evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthSeeker0 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 The easiest route for people in the cave is often an emotional response as all they can really see is that some people apparently think they are superior to others. While those outside of the cave never made that claim or statement - they simply said that they learned to see the light and think critically about the evidence, and came to a conclusion that the evidence supported. Those in the cave cannot even agree on the nature of what constitutes evidence, in a great many cases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgarcito Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 4 hours ago, midniterider said: Come on, Edgarcito...step out of the cave...... I'm out....I just believe there is a Jesus and God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgarcito Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, WalterP said: You made it hostile OUTSIDE the cave....boneheads.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. We didn't do anything to make reality more hostile than it is. We accepted reality for what it is. If you can't deal with reality, please don't blame us. I think if it were more comfortable for her to discuss, then she would probably still be in the conversation. Some do it well, some do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgarcito Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 hours ago, WalterP said: Security, comfort, drives us to dictate conditions ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We cannot dictate what reality must be. We must adapt to it. This process of adaptation is called evolution. No, people change their conditions all the time. Sometimes we dictate divorce, sometimes quitting church. Perhaps the successful change of conditions is evolution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 29, 2020 Super Moderator Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Edgarcito said: I'm out....I just believe there is a Jesus and God... I'm not an alcoholic.... I just get blackout drunk everyday and can't hold a job. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Edgarcito said: I'm out....I just believe there is a Jesus and God... Evidence to support your beliefs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Security, comfort, drives us to dictate conditions ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We cannot dictate what reality must be. We must adapt to it. This process of adaptation is called evolution. No, people change their conditions all the time. Sometimes we dictate divorce, sometimes quitting church. Perhaps the successful change of conditions is evolution... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People change their conditions within the dictates of reality. They cannot change their conditions unless reality permits it. Successful adaptation to the dictates of reality is called evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgarcito Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, WalterP said: Evidence to support your beliefs? You and I have differ on evidence...on what is definitive. 4 minutes ago, WalterP said: Security, comfort, drives us to dictate conditions ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We cannot dictate what reality must be. We must adapt to it. This process of adaptation is called evolution. No, people change their conditions all the time. Sometimes we dictate divorce, sometimes quitting church. Perhaps the successful change of conditions is evolution... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People change their conditions within the dictates of reality. They cannot change their conditions unless reality permits it. Successful adaptation to the dictates of reality is called evolution. Appears to be a matter of scale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Evidence to support your beliefs? You and I have differ on evidence...on what is definitive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course we do. You seem to think that admissible evidence is a matter of personal choice. That standard is unworkable in law, in science, in reasoned argument and in logic. Care to tell us why that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgarcito Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, WalterP said: Evidence to support your beliefs? You and I have differ on evidence...on what is definitive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course we do. You seem to think that permissible evidence is a matter of personal choice. That standard is unworkable in law, in science, in reasoned argument and in logic. Care to tell us why that is? Certainly.... your evidence is limited to what has been defined and measurable I gather. Even a small expansion of what is accepted but cannot yet be measured really makes your standards woefully incomplete.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Security, comfort, drives us to dictate conditions ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We cannot dictate what reality must be. We must adapt to it. This process of adaptation is called evolution. No, people change their conditions all the time. Sometimes we dictate divorce, sometimes quitting church. Perhaps the successful change of conditions is evolution... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People change their conditions within the dictates of reality. They cannot change their conditions unless reality permits it. Successful adaptation to the dictates of reality is called evolution. Appears to be a matter of scale... ----------------------------------------------------------- Possibly a deliberately vague response. Perhaps given so as to try and keep me wrong-footed, rather than actually addressing the topic or my comments. If it wasn't, I still can't fathom what was actually meant. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 So Edgar, what are your thoughts on God tossing people you may know into the lake of fire? Maybe a relative? Is it like a 'better you than me, sucka!" kind of situation ? How does that work? While you sit in heaven, would you be sad or angry that some people you knew were being torched under order of Jesus Christ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 You and I have differ on evidence...on what is definitive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course we do. You seem to think that permissible evidence is a matter of personal choice. That standard is unworkable in law, in science, in reasoned argument and in logic. Care to tell us why that is? Certainly.... your evidence is limited to what has been defined and measurable I gather. Even a small expansion of what is accepted but cannot yet be measured really makes your standards woefully incomplete.... -------------------------------------------------------------- You've misread my question Edgarcito. I asked you why personal choice of evidence is unworkable in law, in science, in reasoned argument and in logic. The question has nothing to do with either you or me. You need to explain why none of those four things can function if people allow themselves complete freedom to define evidence in their own way. Please answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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