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2 hours ago, midniterider said:

Praise the FSM. I have no evidence he exists but I'd rather we just kind of ignore that and continue on as if he were real. 

It is possible to debate the merits without proof.  Shall we move forward or are we going to camp with the thoughts of yesteryear....

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Funny how god could create Adam from dust and Eve from a rib; but he had to impregnate another man's fiance to become human himself.  🤔

The bible is its own interpreter. There's an amazing continuity in that book.     

Wouldn't we first have to ask if there actually is a heaven?

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33 minutes ago, Edgarcito said:

It is possible to debate the merits without proof.  Shall we move forward or are we going to camp with the thoughts of yesteryear....

Yes, let's indeed move forward even further into uncharted territories for which you will not be able to provide evidence to support.  Because that's what you consider "smart."

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51 minutes ago, Edgarcito said:

It is possible to debate the merits without proof.  Shall we move forward or are we going to camp with the thoughts of yesteryear....

 

We have no choice but to debate the merits without proof.

 

That's because proofs exist only in logic and in mathematics.

 

In all other cases we work with evidence, not proof.

 

 

We've already had this conversation years before you arrived sir.

 

 

Edgarcito, you and BAA have already had this conversation (many, many times) years before I arrived.

 

But it seems that you cannot move forward in your understanding of the concept.

 

You seem stuck in the thoughts of yesteryear...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

It is possible to debate the merits without proof.  Shall we move forward or are we going to camp with the thoughts of yesteryear....

 

No, I'm an Ex-Christian. Been there, done that. But thanks for askin. :) 

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Thumbelina must be taking a vacation.  It is interesting that she (somebody) has evidently disabled the "last visited" feature on her personal page.

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Concerning the OP, are you lions ready to stop the

superficial & wooden literalistic interpretations?

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40 minutes ago, Thumbelina said:

Concerning the OP, are you lions ready to stop the

superficial & wooden literalistic interpretations?

 

It is the lions vs. The sheep with blinders and ear plugs.

 

I read your signature/post script, and find you have failed to open your mind, and look at the big picture of all religions and gods.  Your religion is just one of many, all believing they are the truth. 

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1 hour ago, Thumbelina said:

Concerning the OP, are you lions ready to stop the

superficial & wooden literalistic interpretations?

 

Are you able to tell us what the original intentions of the authors were regarding their text? Because if the writers of, say, Genesis meant it literally then we are not interpreting it wrong, you are.

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1 hour ago, Thumbelina said:

Concerning the OP, are you lions ready to stop the

superficial & wooden literalistic interpretations?

 

The OP talks about Adam and Steve. I'm fine with LGBTQ people. Are you? 

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2 hours ago, Thumbelina said:

Concerning the OP, are you lions ready to stop the

superficial & wooden literalistic interpretations?

Concerning Adam and Steve, should we interpret "wood" literally?

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12 hours ago, Thumbelina said:

Concerning the OP, are you lions ready to stop the

superficial & wooden literalistic interpretations?

 

Yes, I'm ready to stop, Thumbelina.

 

Having answered your question, please answer mine.

 

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

 

Walter.

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15 hours ago, LogicalFallacy said:

 

Are you able to tell us what the original intentions of the authors were regarding their text? Because if the writers of, say, Genesis meant it literally then we are not interpreting it wrong, you are.

 

 

Again, the OP addresses Jesus incarnate and His ability to identify with females:

 

"So God comes to earth, in a human body to live a perfect life under the same conditions as us (Tempted like us) (Tested like us) To identify with humanity, and be that perfect sacrifice for the sins of humankind.

 

The problem (He lived a perfect male life, not a perfect female life)

 

I would think that disqualifies him experiencing both sides of the equation."

 

 

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Naughty lions always acting up.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

Concerning Adam and Steve, should we interpret "wood" literally?

See what I mean about lions acting up?

 

It's more than body parts, Daniel got snipped and he behaved  😛

 

 

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Anybody see any answers from Thumbelina yet? Please let me know if she addresses the unanswered questions because I am no longer reading her comments. Ship up or shape out, I say.

 

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So Thumbelina , are you a Seventh Day Adventist? 

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2 hours ago, Thumbelina said:

See what I mean about lions acting up?

 

It's more than body parts, Daniel got snipped and he behaved  😛

 

 

So, you interpret "wood" figuratively, then.  Good to know.  

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1 hour ago, florduh said:

Anybody see any answers from Thumbelina yet? Please let me know if she addresses the unanswered questions because I am no longer reading her comments. Ship up or shape out, I say.

 

 

Like that question, "Is Thumbelina a Seventh Day Adventist?" It really would be nice to know if she follows the denomination of that fruitcake Ellen G. White. 

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5 hours ago, Thumbelina said:

 

 

Again, the OP addresses Jesus incarnate and His ability to identify with females:

 

"So God comes to earth, in a human body to live a perfect life under the same conditions as us (Tempted like us) (Tested like us) To identify with humanity, and be that perfect sacrifice for the sins of humankind.

 

The problem (He lived a perfect male life, not a perfect female life)

 

I would think that disqualifies him experiencing both sides of the equation."

 

 

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Naughty lions always acting up.

 

 

 

 

And what is the Perfect life? Is it a Cis male life? Trans? Please we want to know.

 

And how can someone who lived a perfect life identify with most of us who according to the Bible, are imperfect? Its like me, an accountant, trying to identify with a fruit picker. (Vastly different jobs fyi)

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18 hours ago, florduh said:

Anybody see any answers from Thumbelina yet? Please let me know if she addresses the unanswered questions because I am no longer reading her comments. Ship up or shape out, I say.

 

 

Under her icon, her "interest" is "bothering atheist types."  That sounds like a troll to me.  LOL, It is certainly not following the Christian admonition to shake the dust off your feet as you leave a hopeless cause (like us)!

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16 minutes ago, Weezer said:

Under her icon, her "interest" is "bothering atheist types."

 

Hmm she needs to try harder then. She's not bothersome, and in some instances she's entertaining. 

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If she wasn't such a great mud wrestler she'd be outta here! 😛

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On 7/31/2020 at 8:52 PM, midniterider said:

 

Like that question, "Is Thumbelina a Seventh Day Adventist?" It really would be nice to know if she follows the denomination of that fruitcake Ellen G. White. 

 

Agree. (But not the fruitcake part)

 

Over the years I've spoken (face to face) and debated (online) with many, many people of different faiths, beliefs and persuasions.  I don't recall any of them refusing point blank to declare what religion or denomination they were, or what creed or doctrine they followed.  If anything they were only too keen to declare whose teaching or school of thought they adhered to. 

 

But Thumbelina is different.

 

I've done nothing unfair, unkind or unreasonable to her, except to ask her the same question I've asked all the others I've spoken to.  What is the name of your faith?

 

I really don't care one way or the other if she's a follower of Ellen White or not.  That's not a problem for me.

 

But I do want her to be honest and open with me about her faith and what she calls herself.

 

Thank you.

 

Walter.

 

 

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I attempted to find out in a PM conversation with her, and she evaded the question again by saying something like, she read somewhere that you don't have to talk about denominations on the forum. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Weezer said:

I attempted to find out in a PM conversation with her, and she evaded the question again by saying something like, she read somewhere that you don't have to talk about denominations on the forum. 

 

 

 

Thank you for trying to reach out to her, Weezer.

 

 

Yes, she doesn't have to talk about denominations here.  

 

But this isn't about what Thumbelina has to do.

 

It's about something she should happy and ready to do.

 

It's about establishing open lines of communication.

 

Keeping such an ordinary and harmless thing as her denomination secret from us is a poor basis for that.

 

Starting with secrecy leads to mistrust. 

 

It spoils what could be a fruitful dialogue.

 

 

Walter.

 

 

 

 

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