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If the Bible God could send the Holy Spirit into one unborn baby then why doesn't he fill everyone with the Holy Spirit? That way everyone could be saved and Heaven bound?  This is my biggest problem with the Bible. If God would do that then there would be no reason for anyone to go to Hell. Those poor Hell bound Pharisees Matthew 12, Mark 3, couldn't have committed the unforgivable sin. However God did say...

 

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

 

https://biblehub.com/psalms/58-3.htm

 

https://biblehub.com/proverbs/16-4.htm

 

More proof the Bible God is evil. 

 

 

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For the gospels to even begin to seem coherent, we have to assume that God doesn't want to save everyone.

After all, Jesus himself says that many won't be saved:

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21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many [a]mighty works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

You might then ask, why send Jesus at all, then, if he's just going to save a select few? Perhaps that number of people was too small even for God, but with Jesus, he got it just right?

And so on and so forth. As long as you don't hit an outright provable logical contradiction, you can try to make it fit, but it gets rather bizarre. God works in mysterious ways.

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4 hours ago, Freed said:

https://biblehub.com/luke/1-15.htm

 

If the Bible God could send the Holy Spirit into one unborn baby then why doesn't he fill everyone with the Holy Spirit? That way everyone could be saved and Heaven bound?  This is my biggest problem with the Bible. If God would do that then there would be no reason for anyone to go to Hell. Those poor Hell bound Pharisees Matthew 12, Mark 3, couldn't have committed the unforgivable sin. However God did say...

 

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

 

https://biblehub.com/psalms/58-3.htm

 

https://biblehub.com/proverbs/16-4.htm

 

More proof the Bible God is evil. 

 

 

.. and all those who follow him. 

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16 hours ago, AntiChrist said:

.. and all those who follow him. 

Yes indeed. Amen!!! 😆

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18 hours ago, Rounin said:

For the gospels to even begin to seem coherent, we have to assume that God doesn't want to save everyone.

After all, Jesus himself says that many won't be saved:

 

You might then ask, why send Jesus at all, then, if he's just going to save a select few? Perhaps that number of people was too small even for God, but with Jesus, he got it just right?

And so on and so forth. As long as you don't hit an outright provable logical contradiction, you can try to make it fit, but it gets rather bizarre. God works in mysterious ways.

Yes. Mysterious ways is how God works. The perfect go to coward's Bible verse for serious questions and concerns. Thank you. 😊

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If everyone could have been filled with the Holy Spirit before birth then Jesus would not have had to come. I hold the Bible God accountable for all the suffering. He planned it all. No wonder religious trauma syndrome exists.

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     But to fill everyone with the holy spirit in the womb would be a violation of their free will.  John must have consented to this prior to being conceived.  This means that John was able to communicate with god prior to conception.  I guess John was a spirit or something.  Then John consented to be born, with the holy spirit, so he could save all those spirits that would be born but who did consent to having the holy spirit in the womb in the hope they would take the holy spirit later in this next life so when they died and became spirits they could live with god again.

 

     Yep, perfectly logical when you think about it (as I'm kind of doing for the first time here).  Everyone but John checks the deny box prior to opting-in to being born.  We all then roll the dice that we'll check accept prior to dying and going to hell instead of going back to heaven.  My guess at this point is baby souls are stored in neither so if we want out we have to play this game so perhaps they hide the info as to what a holy spirit is, or there's a charge, which is why no one checks that box.  Can't expect pre-born spirits to be all that on the ball.

 

          mwc

 

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10 hours ago, mwc said:

     But to fill everyone with the holy spirit in the womb would be a violation of their free will.  John must have consented to this prior to being conceived.  This means that John was able to communicate with god prior to conception.  I guess John was a spirit or something.  Then John consented to be born, with the holy spirit, so he could save all those spirits that would be born but who did consent to having the holy spirit in the womb in the hope they would take the holy spirit later in this next life so when they died and became spirits they could live with god again.

 

     Yep, perfectly logical when you think about it (as I'm kind of doing for the first time here).  Everyone but John checks the deny box prior to opting-in to being born.  We all then roll the dice that we'll check accept prior to dying and going to hell instead of going back to heaven.  My guess at this point is baby souls are stored in neither so if we want out we have to play this game so perhaps they hide the info as to what a holy spirit is, or there's a charge, which is why no one checks that box.  Can't expect pre-born spirits to be all that on the ball.

 

          mwc

 

But the Bible doesn't say that John accepted the Holy Spirit before birth. Please tell me the verses that says that? 

 

So. Is it Gods will or human will? It can't be both can it?

 

 

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god is not a respecter of persons.  He just likes some people better than others.

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7 hours ago, Freed said:

But the Bible doesn't say that John accepted the Holy Spirit before birth. Please tell me the verses that says that? 

 

So. Is it Gods will or human will? It can't be both can it?

 

 

     No, it doesn't say that.  I am saying that.

 

     The argument is that god doesn't violate free will.  God sent jesus to preach the word so that people could choose, of their own free will, to believe in order to receive the holy spirit.

 

     That being the case it must stand to reason that John did all this before he was conceived otherwise his little fetal free will was violated and we can't have that.  So how was that done?  Through that entire mess I speculated.  It's the only way.  Pre-born's are hit-up with this and only John decided, of his free will, to accept the holy spirit.

 

     That is why John gets the holy spirit in the womb and no one else does.  Everyone else, unlike John, refused it but can still accept to believe to get it but only prior to death for some reason.

 

     See?  Now you know.  That's why John got the holy spirit in the womb but no one else does.  All sorts of pre-birth shenanigans.  

 

     If you're still confused as to how this answers your original question, as to why doesn't god simply give everyone the holy spirit, the short answer is there's no such thing as god or the holy spirit.  I can just make up anything and that's the answer.  It's all a sort of fan fiction.  So as you see my answer really does answer the question.  I could have said god only had a one-time use coupon and that would also be a proper answer just not as many xian themes to riff on.

 

          mwc

 

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4 hours ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

god is not a respecter of persons.  He just likes some people better than others.

 

And his ways are so mysterious that he will never let us in on the secrets of gaining his favor.

You can't earn it.

You can't deserve it.

And you'll never be "good enough".

 

We're all 'born in sin'. But some are born in less sin than others I suppose.

And yet the bible teaches that all sin is equally evil in God's judgement.

 

Even with acceptance and acknowlegement of Christ's sacrifice, you may or may not be so favored as to be accepted into that exclusive country-club-in-the-sky. The bible promises it, and then Christ tells us that many who do accept it will be rejected anyway. A bit like Charlie Brown and the football.

 

And that's what the majority of fundamentalists seem to hang their hat on... you may not really be a disciple.. only some of us in the inner circle are really the creme-de-la-creme of God's children, fit for membership in the club.

 

Jews? Well they get in free, they are pre-approved.

Somehow their spiritual self is different than others of humankind.

Pure like Ivory soap.

 

It's all pretty complicated.

But we are required to understand it or face eternal punishment.

(a bit like income-tax law)

 

Perhaps if I had prayed more, prayed longer, prayed and spoke "in tongues", or handled a rattlesnake to prove my faith and devotion... I just don't know where I went wrong. Maybe it was my fear of poisonous reptiles?

 

I suppose I just got too busy with all the messy details of human survival 'mongst all this evil the bible warns about. And so I'll have to face the penalties. I'll be there weeping and gnashing my teeth over the dues I paid toward that country-club membership, and I'll be doing it from outside the gates.

Such is life, I suppose.

 

"a little-known codicil in the Faber charter.... double-secret probation."

 

 

 

 

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Men being filled by a perfectly loving man God sounds kinda homosexual.

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2 minutes ago, AntiChrist said:

Being filled by a perfectly loving man God sounds kinda homosexual.

Ignore this post.

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2 hours ago, AntiChrist said:

Men being filled by a perfectly loving man God sounds kinda homosexual.

     This post, it's all I can see!!!

 

     🤣

 

          mwc

 

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The Bible never says that anyone can ask the Holy Spirit pre conception though. Only Jesus could because he was God. Part of the trinity. God has always existed. Not humans. 

 

https://biblehub.com/ephesians/1-11.htm

 

God adds to his church. Not man.

 

https://biblehub.com/acts/2-47.htm

 

Did you read the Bible verse about How God creates the wicked for the day of judgement?

 

https://biblehub.com/proverbs/16-4.htm

 

Hell. The Bible is full of contradictions anyway. 

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1 hour ago, Freed said:

The Bible never says that anyone can ask the Holy Spirit pre conception though. Only Jesus could because he was God. Part of the trinity. God has always existed. Not humans. 

 

https://biblehub.com/ephesians/1-11.htm

 

God adds to his church. Not man.

 

https://biblehub.com/acts/2-47.htm

 

Did you read the Bible verse about How God creates the wicked for the day of judgement?

 

https://biblehub.com/proverbs/16-4.htm

 

Hell. The Bible is full of contradictions anyway. 

Sensing Jesus's spirit is all feeling's based. Christian's are swayed to believe in Jesus by their emotions alone.

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5 hours ago, AntiChrist said:

Sensing Jesus's spirit is all feeling's based. Christian's are swayed to believe in Jesus by their emotions alone.

True. I just hope he isn't real in the first place. If he is then I'm eternally condemned. I'm one of the many people he never knew. 

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25 minutes ago, Freed said:

True. I just hope he isn't real in the first place. If he is then I'm eternally condemned. I'm one of the many people he never knew. 

Don't beat yourself down, there's over 2 billion Christian's on this planet who'll do that for you.

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20 hours ago, Freed said:

The Bible never says that anyone can ask the Holy Spirit pre conception though. Only Jesus could because he was God. Part of the trinity. God has always existed. Not humans. 

 

https://biblehub.com/ephesians/1-11.htm

 

God adds to his church. Not man.

 

https://biblehub.com/acts/2-47.htm

 

Did you read the Bible verse about How God creates the wicked for the day of judgement?

 

https://biblehub.com/proverbs/16-4.htm

 

Hell. The Bible is full of contradictions anyway. 

     I'm catching on.  You're wanting far more serious answers than I am offering.  You see, the thing is, I don't take any of this very seriously anymore.  The bible says a bunch of nonsensical stuff.  To do more than offer nonsensical answers is pretty much a waste of time.

 

     So why does god do anything?  Or why is something a certain way as opposed to any other way?  Like, why didn't god just forgive the world right off the bat?  So no sin?  Well, it's for any reason you like.  The whole scenario is invented to begin with.  It's the true believers and apologists who require actual "biblical" answers.  The bible doesn't have any authority for me.

 

     May as well ask why Kryptonite causes Superman to lose his power when he supposedly gets his strength from our yellow sun.  I'm sure there's an explanation for it but, think about it, is there *really* an explanation?  Since it's made up the explanation can be anything.  It's just a matter of how satisfying it appears to the audience.  So if I say Kryptonite is magic, that will likely fail as an explanation (even though it's just as made up as the rest), but if I say something different but follows along the same logic as the story so far then it will likely be accepted even if it's far-fetched (again, just as made up).  A quick search say it's because Kryptonite causes problems with solar radiation absorption.  So, see?  Same sort of thing.

 

          mwc

 

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Thanks. Yeah you are correct. Besides the Bible has so many unanswered questions. The more I've read it the more questions I had. Still waiting for many more answers. But no Christian can answer my questions. They just get all angry at me and tell me I'm going to Hell. Except one place told me that I am still saved but I'm still sinning and I need to go back to God for forgiveness and be a good little Christian woman. Nah. No thanks Jesus Freaks. 

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6 hours ago, Freed said:

Thanks. Yeah you are correct. Besides the Bible has so many unanswered questions. The more I've read it the more questions I had. Still waiting for many more answers. But no Christian can answer my questions. They just get all angry at me and tell me I'm going to Hell. Except one place told me that I am still saved but I'm still sinning and I need to go back to God for forgiveness and be a good little Christian woman. Nah. No thanks Jesus Freaks. 

When de-programming, It is not abnormal to relapse back into your old Christian beliefs for a short time. It sucks diddly sucks, but always remember.

 

Flander's must die!

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The true face of evil.

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3 hours ago, AntiChrist said:

Ned-Flanders-ned-flanders-28647816-1000-1000.thumb.png.d98b937e856472ebba1e2e4653624b45.png

The true face of evil.

On 11/11/2020 at 4:27 PM, AntiChrist said:

 

Ned Flanders was actually my favorite character from The Simpsons. XD XD

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