Moderator Joshpantera Posted January 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 hours ago, freshstart said: Not to belabor the point, but I think Weezer raises a good question and I'm not really clear on the answer. I totally get that the main purpose of this website is to support exchristians, but when the occasional Christian visits - particularly in certain forums like the Lions Den, what is the point of arguing our beliefs (or lack of beliefs) if not to change a Christian's mind or at the very least - give them something to think about (without telling people what they should or shouldn't do)? Isn't that what we did when "witnessing" as Christians? Totally understandable. TABA and I are in agreement. Most of the time we're making posts with the lurking readers in mind. And that's how a lot of the "encouraging" newbies and struggling people are being helped along and assisted. The christians will likely not change their minds, and we know that. We aren't really trying to change their minds. We are using them as examples for other people reading who may learn something from the exchange. And we know that it works. Many members here have messaged myself and others thanking us for particular exchanges that we were involved in with christians. And how it helped them understand something or see something that they hadn't previously realized. It's not impossible that these exchanges may also get into some christians mind and cause them to think about it for a while. But that's more or less secondary to using them as examples of how many ways discourse can play out. We'll challenge them to provide factual evidence. We push them to meet the burden of proof of their own arguments and claims. When they fail, it demonstrates something. They are professing strength and superiority. But here they are failing when challenged. What gives? Are they not as powerful and authoritative as they led on?? We're provoking self thinking processes. And freethinking in general. Letting people decide for themselves what they may or may not believe based on evaluating the discourse and evidences (or lack thereof) provided. As opposed to dictating to people what they MUST believe or else. Which is the way of religious proselytizing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ DarkBishop ☆ Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/3/2021 at 2:20 PM, Brothermario said: Yes, you all have so many questions that you just can’t seem to ask them. Me telling you what I have experienced in groupthink forums and with modern skeptics is wrong, but what you think about theism and theists is okay? I know I’m different than the theists you’ve met. And I have hopes that some of you are different than the skeptics I’ve met. But so far, not so much. And most of you actually think that you’re going to teach me something about God and religion, and won’t have it any other way. But there is another way, an opposite way you will fight against together by accusing me of doing things you do to theists without blinking an eye. Stop whining. I don’t care what you say about me. But all you’re doing is saying something about me. Do something else. I dont know what forum you originally posted in, but maybe your post would have been better accepted in the exchristian spirituality forum. However if you come off as someone who is arrogant and bull headed like I've seen in this thread I doubt you would fair any better. Some exchristians have moved to other faiths such as paganism or Buddhism after Christianity. Granted the majority are probably atheist. But there are a few that still feel there may be some unseen force out there in the ether. I know I am no longer Christian but I consider myself a non-theist rather than an atheist. I dont believe in any organized religion. Or attempt to organize a new religion if that is on your agenda. You will find religious panhandling met with extreme prejudice on these forums. DB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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