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2 hours ago, florduh said:

Anyway, right or wrong, the frequent references we see to "freedom of speech" legally applies only to government policy, not private employers.

 

So maybe the right to freedom of speech should apply to businesses as well. Freedom of religion applies. You can't fire someone for their religion like @Joshpantera pointed out. If the companies were unable to fire someone for voicing their political views from a discrimination perspective. Then the cancel culture couldn't hold that company at fault. Bye Bye cancel culture. Problem solved 🙂

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Nobody here seems to understand that politics is directly related to wave/particle duality. 

1. I am sure that you might know noone affected by starvation. Or rape. Or war. Or slavery. Or....Do you only care about things that personally affect you and the small circle of people you know well?

I would like to, but I don't see cancel culture slowing down. In my opinion, this idea that you can sterilize the world where nothing is offensive is just setting people up for failure. Does nothing b

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31 minutes ago, DarkBishop said:

 

So maybe the right to freedom of speech should apply to businesses as well. Freedom of religion applies. You can't fire someone for their religion like @Joshpantera pointed out. If the companies were unable to fire someone for voicing their political views from a discrimination perspective. Then the cancel culture couldn't hold that company at fault. Bye Bye cancel culture. Problem solved 🙂

Companies understandably don't want their public representatives pissing off their customers and advertisers. Political views are one thing but denying the Holocaust happened or encouraging others to promote a public health hazard or repeating dangerous debunked conspiracy theories are a bit different than "political views," don't you think? Cancel Culture isn't a real thing. It was a term made up to distract from legitimate criticism of mean, boorish and hateful behavior. I live in Florida, a so-called Right to Work state. You can be fired because the boss doesn't like your haircut. That, is cancel culture.

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40 minutes ago, florduh said:

Companies understandably don't want their public representatives pissing off their customers and advertisers. Political views are one thing but denying the Holocaust happened or encouraging others to promote a public health hazard or repeating dangerous debunked conspiracy theories are a bit different than "political views," don't you think? Cancel Culture isn't a real thing. It was a term made up to distract from legitimate criticism of mean, boorish and hateful behavior. I live in Florida, a so-called Right to Work state. You can be fired because the boss doesn't like your haircut. That, is cancel culture.

 

Eh guess we'll have to agree to disagree florduh. I can see her point. It seems more and more the right are being discriminated against. 

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12 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

This situation has been repeated over and over. Its always the right wingers that get fired and silenced. And it is directly because of the left wing media blowing it up. Apparently if you are a celebrity in this country you can either be a left wing activist or silent. This is going against our freedom of speech. It is not setting a good precedent. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't think of anyone who has been fired for arguing for the left. Do any of you have any examples? 

Colin Koepernik, who was fired from the NFL for kneeling during the national anthem, protesting police violence against Blacks.

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On 2/11/2021 at 1:20 PM, LogicalFallacy said:

Gina Carano fired from The Mandalorian over 'abhorrent and unacceptable' social media posts | Stuff.co.nz

 

I probably disagree with her opinions on a lot of stuff but I'm not sure if this post should be a fireable offense:

 

 

I'm not sure what other posts she had, but apparently she was fired for making denigrating  cultural and religious remarks which the above doesn't appear to be. Now I'm a bleeding heart lefty, but even if you don't agree with the above should you be fired for it?

 

Thoughts?

 

Sorry, only producers and directors and above are allowed to voice their political opinions ... inside their tv shows... as part of the script. 

 

The price for being a million dollar making actor is you may not express your opinion. 

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56 minutes ago, Orbit said:

Colin Koepernik, who was fired from the NFL for kneeling during the national anthem, protesting police violence against Blacks.

I'll be damned. I thought he didn't get fired. Well that's one lefty that got the ax. I fully supported him to tho. I figured whats the big deal? He's not standing for the anthem. So what. At least he's not blocking traffic or rioting. There was nothing wrong with what kaepernik did. 

 

So once again. Discrimination. I believe if I was in a position where I could influence a good number of people I would voice my views as well. 

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I didn't read the whole thread, and am not familiar with the case, but in my experience there is often something behind the scenes that others don't know about.

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13 hours ago, TABA said:

One thing is sure: social media -and especially Twitter - have given everybody a platform, a public voice.  Knowing when to say nothing is an important skill that is in very short supply these days. 

 

It's kind of complicated. How much authority should an employer have over an employee's personal life. I suppose an employer has a 'right' to not be bad mouthed by a celebrity employee, but the celeb has the right to spout their opinions. If it's all built in to their celebrity contract, then that's fine. Every situation is different and Hollywood seems to not care one damn bit what I think. :)

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1 hour ago, Weezer said:

I didn't read the whole thread, and am not familiar with the case, but in my experience there is often something behind the scenes that others don't know about.

 

This is true. The media will of course report what will get people clicking and talking... as we obviously have done. Wont necessarily report the actual reasons. 

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12 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

 

What's odd about all of this is imagine the person is a mormon, for instance. We may all agree that the beliefs are weird, not even christian, total bullshit, etc.,etc. And be in complete agreement about how weird the mormon is, due to what they believe. 

 

Then look at a scenario where a corporation fires the mormon actor or actress for talking crazy on their own time, on social media. Let's say talking about things they believe in but the rest of think are absolute nonsense. 

 

That would be a hell of a discrimination case, wouldn't it? 

 

Firing someone for speaking about what they believe in, regardless of how idiotic the beliefs? 

 

I don't see how anti-vax is any more insane than believing that we go off to alien planets to become "gods." 

 

Even a mainstream example. Believing that a god came down to earth to sacrifice himself to himself is about as bat shit crazy and fucking stupid a belief as any other. Imagine firing someone on the grounds that they believe the jesus myth is true. And speaking about how they belief the myth. Firing them. 

 

This is what's bizarre about the cancel culture stuff. It's the same as any other case of belief based discrimination that we can make examples of. I don't like what someone else believes, so I'll rally to have it cancelled. 

     And yet if she said that the time was near so it was time to mix the Kool-Aid, and don't forget to spike it with poison, so that everyone can head off with the aliens then this is the same?  There are different sorts of crazy.  Some more damaging than others.  To say all speech is identical is incorrect.  People won't be harmed by misinformation about become gods in the afterlife, or not, but they will be harmed because of misinformation concerning vaccinations.  Likewise for pretty much every other misinformation issue I mentioned.

 

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14 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

Its not productive to lump all right wing supporters in with racists, conspiracy theorists, etc. Just as it isn't productive to lump all left wingers in the group of baby killing, communist and/or socialist, rioters etc. This is exactly why we are in the predicament we are in. We are constantly at each others throats. 

     Perhaps but she made these sorts of statements and you had said that only right wingers, such as she, were being silenced.  It would only follow that this is these are the sorts of things you want associated with right wingers.  Maybe she posted what she had for breakfast and I could include that as well but since that didn't seem to lead to her, or others like her, being fired I don't know if information like that really matters?  I think it does boil down to the controversial.

 

14 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

The only true anti Vaxer I've ever known was far left. The only vaccine I see the right not wanting to take is the covid vaccine. I'm hoping as more and more people are vaccinated without any adverse effects that those skeptical of it will become more comfortable and take it. Its really a non issue now because there aren't enough vaccines to vaccinate those that are fearful of it anyway. 

     It's not a non-issue.  It's an on-going issue.  We will not stop vaccinating because we're short on vaccines.  We'll produce more and people will need to take them.  We need roughly 75-80% of people to take them to even hope for herd immunity on covid.  Many of these people buy into "terrain theory" as opposed to germ theory and the spread of this long-debunked information is causing us on-going problems in this pandemic.

 

14 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

What America needs are politicians that want to unite everyone. Thats probably not going to happen until all the baby boomers on both side of the isle either die off or retire. I'm hoping as a younger generation takes the reigns that we will see more bipartisanship in politics. 

 

A good first step in the right direction would be to stop trying to censor everyone that doesn't agree with left wing politics. That will only make things worse. I doubt ms. Carano was inciting violence was she? If not then she shouldn't have been fired. If they start silencing all right wing activists, then they are backed into a corner. The capital incident was the extreme right (which I will not defend, I'm right leaning libertarian. I dont agree with what happened at the capital) but it is probably only the start if they keep vilifying and censoring EVERYONE on the right. They see censorship as a direct attack on their rights.

     Well, I have to wonder what those people were saying?  I have to admit that I am shocked if they were "cancelled" for literally only posting things about job creation, government fiscal responsibility or lowering taxes.  For some reason I suspect they wandered off into the weeds somewhere along the way.

 

     Now, if it were awhile back, especially if they were kids, then I think they should be allowed to make clear their position now.  People can change.  Even if someone says something now they should be allowed to clarify.  Mistakes and misunderstandings can and do happen.  The thing is many of these people tend to fall right back into their old habits so there's only so many times you can do this before you have to do something more drastic (ie. remove their post or account, fine them, fire them, etc.).

 

14 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

Those people stormed the capital because they were mislead and thought that the election was rigged. I agree, mislead by un proven information. If it had been left wingers spreading the same misinformation on a trump win, then they may have done the same. And it would have been just as shameful but probably with less reproach from the media. I don't doubt that the left would have launched just as aggressive attacks on the validity of the election as trump did. ..... Well maybe not quite as aggressive 🤔. Trumps actions after his loss were infantile. He lost my support along with many more I'm sure. 

     We can't know what might have happened had Trump won again.  We know that he was floating the idea of a rigged election long before the elections took place.  However, had he won, he would not have used his megaphone to keep on repeating the lies that the election was rigged.  "Q" and the rest would not have repeated those same lies.  We would now need a new set of sources for the stolen election narrative.  We'd also need Biden to never concede, just like Trump, so that it would even matter so that people might even be compelled to act.  Or that Biden would have never addressed his electorate in the aftermath of the election in a way that was different from Trump.  The idea that it would play out the same is unlikely.  Though you do hit on the key ingredient and it's the spread of harmful misinformation.  Had this alternate world happened and Biden's supporters been doing it then it all should have been blocked just as it was done to Trump's misinformation campaigners.  It just so happened we didn't live through that reality.

 

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19 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

This situation has been repeated over and over. Its always the right wingers that get fired and silenced. And it is directly because of the left wing media blowing it up. Apparently if you are a celebrity in this country you can either be a left wing activist or silent. This is going against our freedom of speech. It is not setting a good precedent. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't think of anyone who has been fired for arguing for the left. Do any of you have any examples? 

     Jussie Smollet (sp?)  He lied about getting beat up and called slurs.  That Lea Michelle gal.  I can't recall what she did.

 

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15 hours ago, florduh said:

Not more insane, but magnitudes more dangerous to the innocent bystanders who will be damaged by insufficient vaccination of the population. 

 

Here's the thing, it's a roll of the dice with these vaccines. It's not as if some people aren't having negative effects from taking it. Everyone literally has to decide on whether or not they want to take a chance or risk of not taking a vaccine, or taking it and possibly having negative side effects for doing so. It's not as if this thing is cut and dry anyways. 

 

I see a situation where it can be dangerous to either take or not take a vaccine. And you literally have no certainty going into the choice either way. I've heard several medical professionals down here rail against the vaccine. Say they won't take it. Others say have taken it. You know how it goes with medical and diet issues, everyone seems to diverge off into different opinions. 

 

It does piss me off, though. Because I would like to see a confident vaccine and quickly wipe the virus out in record time. I'm sick of having to live with this pandemic and dying to get back to normal again. Vaccine comes out. But no one has any idea about long term side effects, whether or not they will have an immediate negative reaction to taking it, and it won't work against newer mutations will it? 

 

Meanwhile, some woman get's fired because she has the audacity to speak up about this highly speculative vaccine???

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Kathy Griffin also got fired from CNN in 2017 after she did a photoshoot where she held Donald Trump's bloody, severed head.

 

Back then every other public personality seemed to be all but begging for someone to assassinate Donald Trump, but I guess it was the gruesome image going viral and re-printed everywhere that was finally seen as going too far. I suppose CNN cared for at least some appearance of political neutrality.

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11 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

 

So maybe the right to freedom of speech should apply to businesses as well. Freedom of religion applies. You can't fire someone for their religion like @Joshpantera pointed out. If the companies were unable to fire someone for voicing their political views from a discrimination perspective. Then the cancel culture couldn't hold that company at fault. Bye Bye cancel culture. Problem solved 🙂

 

Yeah I don't see why politics and religion shouldn't be treated equally as "beliefs" and protected. The same with our lack of belief in either religion or politics. Let's say we don't believe in religion, I wouldn't want some christian discriminating against me in the work place.

 

Or I wouldn't want to get fired for expressing conservative views at work or after work if the company was more liberal or vise versa. It would be discrimination if I fired some guy because he's liberal and the other guys on the crew are conservatives. Or if I fired some guy because he's a christian and I prefer the company of atheists. 

 

It's all varying levels of discrimination and should be covered by civil rights in opinion. Civil rights really ought to extend out this far. 

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11 hours ago, florduh said:

Companies understandably don't want their public representatives pissing off their customers and advertisers. Political views are one thing but denying the Holocaust happened or encouraging others to promote a public health hazard or repeating dangerous debunked conspiracy theories are a bit different than "political views," don't you think? Cancel Culture isn't a real thing. It was a term made up to distract from legitimate criticism of mean, boorish and hateful behavior. I live in Florida, a so-called Right to Work state. You can be fired because the boss doesn't like your haircut. That, is cancel culture.

 

This is partially true. We here in Florida can fire people for anything "except" the protected classes under the civil rights act.

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It brings me great pleasure to know I can lock, or even delete, this entire thread any time I want to.  😈

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5 hours ago, mwc said:

People won't be harmed by misinformation about become gods in the afterlife, or not, but they will be harmed because of misinformation concerning vaccinations.  Likewise for pretty much every other misinformation issue I mentioned.

 

Misinformation like assuring people they are guaranteed no negative results or side effects, hands down, if they take a vaccine? 

 

Wouldn't that sort of misinformation of confidence in an unknown be harmful to the people who will suffer negatively for going through with it? 

 

I'm hearing medical workers split off both ways about it. Some absolutely against it, others willing to take the chance. This isn't just conspiracy. It's an "uncertainty" that conspiracy has come along and latched on to if anything. 

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1 hour ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

It brings me great pleasure to know I can lock, or even delete, this entire thread any time I want to.  😈

 

I had little or no interest in joining this discussion until now.  🙂

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Joshpantera said:

 

Misinformation like assuring people they are guaranteed no negative results or side effects, hands down, if they take a vaccine? 

 

Wouldn't that sort of misinformation of confidence in an unknown be harmful to the people who will suffer negatively for going through with it? 

 

I'm hearing medical workers split off both ways about it. Some absolutely against it, others willing to take the chance. This isn't just conspiracy. It's an "uncertainty" that conspiracy has come along and latched on to if anything. 

     You don't get that sort of guarantee with anything.  No one has made that promise.  The vaccines are safe.  This is a different statement.  Like, "This car is safe according to the NHTSA"  It doesn't imply any sort of absolute guarantee of no harm.  It indicates a certain level of testing standards have been met.  In fact, the news and others have made side-effects and other known problems with the vaccines available the public (see below).

 

     Anti-vax is not about meeting a reasonable standard of safety.  It's literally what it says.  They are against vaccines.  Full-stop.  They do not have a some vaccine policy even if they have had a vaccine themselves as children.  I think you know this.

 

     Israel is way out front in vaccinations.  Here's an article.  Less than .3% had symptoms significant enough to report to their doctor.  Does this mean no problems?  No.  We're looking at about 20, give or take, per 1 million people having bad enough issues to be hospitalized.  The thing is these numbers are far better than the virus itself.  Those sorts of numbers would mean if everyone in the United States took the shot then less than 10,000 people would be hospitalized as a result. 

 

     We know, for a fact given it's current track record, that this is not the case with infections from the virus.  If left unchecked it would devastate the population.  Not only with deaths but with long-term illnesses.  The vaccine is a much safer path in general.

 

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I will say that those in entertainment are sometimes subject to a clause in their contract which prohibits them from doing or saying things publicly which may "reasonably" be construed to embarrass or reflect badly on the production company, which is their actual employer.

 

Freedom of speech is something I consider sacred... especially here in the U.S. where the right to say anything is protected in the Bill of Rights.

 

But if you sign a contract which dictates otherwise, then that will abrogate your natural rights, even those specifically protected in the Constitution.

 

 

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On 2/11/2021 at 3:20 PM, LogicalFallacy said:

I probably disagree with her opinions on a lot of stuff but I'm not sure if this post should be a fireable offense:

This is partly why I'm identifying with Conservatives (US) even though I'm not religious.  I do like Canadian Jordan Peterson.  

It seems to me that the American Left can do and say anything and be okay.  But a right winger better keep their mouth shut.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

It brings me great pleasure to know I can lock, or even delete, this entire thread any time I want to.  😈

     To silence all the right-wingers, right?  They're expecting that.

 

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16 minutes ago, mwc said:

We know, for a fact given it's current track record, that this is not the case with infections from the virus.  If left unchecked it would devastate the population.  Not only with deaths but with long-term illnesses.  The vaccine is a much safer path in general.

 

 

Yep, you are right.  However, consider the element of control.  Self driving vehicles are said to be safer vs the traditional vehicles.  However, many people are scared of riding in the self driving vehicle because they relinquish control.  And the chance of an accident is never zero percent.  I think people that refuse vaccines have a similar thinking pattern.  The risk of death from a vaccine is never zero and they would rather take their chances with nature.

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1 minute ago, SuperBigV said:

The risk of death from a vaccine is never zero and they would rather take their chances with nature.

Perhaps they are unfamiliar with how dangerous and unforgiving nature can be.  We tend to think of ourselves as being in control of nature, when, in truth, we are but a small and insignificant part of it, when seen from the grand scheme of natural history.  

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