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I visited ex-christian.net many years ago when I didn't have any experience as an ex-christian. Now I do, and I want to share why I'm an ex-Christian. I also want to say I really don't have advice for people in spiritual or religious matters. I have what I experienced, and I can share some of that. Maybe that will help somebody else make sense of things. I know reading other peoples stuff helped me.

 

I've never told this story to anybody. It's coming up on ten years since that day, when I was studying my Bible, that it happened. When it did I stood up, said your not my god, walked outside and threw that book into the trash. I didn't want it in my house anymore.

 

After years of diligent study, years of not understanding, I couldn't reconcile the Bible with my life or the world. I had compiled a bunch of notes that could fill a large trash bin - and they did. I watched not hours of lectures and sermons, but months of them. All the while I would pick up on a discrepancy here and there - big discrepancies, but I ignored them being the faithful Christian I was raised to be. Most Christians ignore them. They have to.

 

While researching the Bible and Christianity a lot of government stuff would show in the search results. I thought how strange that government stuff would come up in a Bible search but they did. I clicked some of those links. Between that and the books I was buying I guess I tripped an alarm and got flagged by the USG. I didn't figure that out for a long time. How I did is interesting, but not really important as to why I'm an ex-Christian.

 

In that moment, when reading the instructions on ritual animal sacrifice in Leviticus, something I've read a hundred times before, I saw it, smelled it, felt it, and I knew who the lord of the Bible was - and I connected to him. Our minds connected. I knew what the four horns around the alter really meant.  I felt the pain and suffering, it was overwhelming. I was never so terrified yet everything made sense. The world made scene. History made sense but only when looked at it from the viewpoint of evil, and I was there, at that point, and understood more in that moment than I did after a decade of research.

 

I walked around for months with a fear that was so intense it would have sent my mind to a place it would never come back from if it wasn't for a help I can neither explain nor put into words (well I could try but I'm not sure I will). Like I said, our minds connected and there's stuff I know but still won't, or don't, want to believe. To keep from thinking consciously about it I started clearing a couple of acres of land around my home by hand, while unconsciously my mind was working to make sense of the jumbled mess of info in there.

 

I can't tell somebody what to do, stay Christian, don't stay Christian. What I can say is, from the viewpoint I had, the good cops and the bad cops work for the same force but there is something bigger. As for the good cops and the bad cops, neither are all good or all bad. It's not as simple as black and white or true and false.

 

To help sort through this mess I started to write things down and had this overwhelming need to put it on the Internet and send the USG a link to that info - which at that point was just as jumbled as my mind was. Because I was already on a watch-list, I think I was largely ignored, but I tried anyway. I then figured I would send the link to as many governments as I could since I received no direct response from the USG.

 

Keep in mind I never once mentioned or posted what I'm writing here, about that moment I mean. Instead I took all the research I had and tried to used that as a way to explain. After almost ten years I'm still having trouble with it. The fear is still there and it pops up once in a while, but I've been able to write a content management system, you know, like WordPress but in a different programing language. I did that to stay busy after clearing my land and because when I got started putting that info on the Internet, WP wasn't flexible enough so I wrote my own CMS that I've since released as open source.

 

I still have all that original jumbled up info, though I took most of it off-line. Now I post articles that make sense, that show a little of what I saw. Articles that fit history and the patterns and profiles in the Bible.

 

The Bible is a profile, like how the FBI profiles people, and that profile is very old. That's why it, especially the New Testament, doesn't make any literal sense. People can argue scriptures all the day long and it still won't make sense because it's a profile and I know why, when, and by who that profile was made. I'm pretty sure I know the how too, but it is one of those things I don't what to believe.

 

Crazy? I was raised Lutheran - the denomination that practices witch-CRAFT that turns wine to blood and bread to flesh for use in human cannibalism. That's insanity. I was raised by insanity. Crazy is an upgrade.

 

If a person tells me this is what god wants of me, I won't bother asking for proof because they won't be able to provide it. Instead, I'll respond if god really wants me to do that, I'm certain god will let me know directly. In the mean time, stop using god to control other people - and for Christians, whose rules are printed in a book, ruling over god, using god to control others, is exactly the same shit the devil pulled.

 

I feel more for other people now. Sometimes way more than I though possible but I'm learning how to handle it. I'm screaming inside knowing what "god-like" people are doing to other people. The least of which is screwing people's minds up - something you can see in many of the posts here. Just the need for a website like this says a lot.

 

Well, that's the short explanation of the experience I've had since ditching Christianity.

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4 hours ago, Extant said:

I visited ex-christian.net many years ago when I didn't have any experience as an ex-christian. Now I do, and I want to share why I'm an ex-Christian. I also want to say I really don't have advice for people in spiritual or religious matters. I have what I experienced, and I can share some of that. Maybe that will help somebody else make sense of things. I know reading other peoples stuff helped me.

 

Welcome back! 

 

4 hours ago, Extant said:

The Bible is a profile, like how the FBI profiles people, and that profile is very old. That's why it, especially the New Testament, doesn't make any literal sense. People can argue scriptures all the day long and it still won't make sense because it's a profile and I know why, when, and by who that profile was made. I'm pretty sure I know the how too, but it is one of those things I don't what to believe.

 

The bible is weird like that. It can look like it means just about anything. And many people clue in on something or another of an explanation. I've done it. Lot's of people do it. We see it all the time. We had a guy recently who was convinced the fall of man was symbolic for coherence turning to decoherence. Like a code. The bible is telling us about the particle - wave duality of light and matter. He was sure of it. 

 

The point being, many different creative interpretations can be made. But they each must be carefully analyzed to see if there are holes in the logic, contradictions associated with the interpretation, and so on. In short, at times like this it's best to check yourself or put the idea to the test against peer review. For sake of figuring out if the idea consistently works out or not. 

 

So what does the profile interpretation of the bible consist of? 

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10 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

So what does the profile interpretation of the bible consist of? 

 

The short answer, it's a profile of evil.

 

Some where around 3500 years ago the beginnings of a plan were outlined. The plan was to bring the world under one king that had absolute control over one set of religious beliefs. This plan was born in a temple in Egypt when the land wasn't called Egypt. In front of that temple stood two obelisks. These obelisks have since been moved. One now stands in Central Park. The other in the City of London.

 

The initial plan evolved over the course of about one hundred years. During those years local and foreign men were invited to join the group. Nobody was turned away. A set of tests were established to find the best minds within the group. The men that passed the tests rose in the group's hierarchy. Intellectual ideas that would benefit the plan were more or less stolen from these men who would gather in a structured forum and discuss all kinds of things. No topic was out of bounds. Most of these men had no knowledge of the plan or its goals. They didn't even know there was a plan.

 

To understand the world better, this group sponsored scouting parties that explored the world and brought back information from foreign lands. That information was discussed and the plan fine-tuned. Once the plan was executed, it had to adapt to circumstances and to do so, to know how people were thinking, the groups became many and they included all organized religions and governments.

 

To keep the population from coming together in opposition, the plan included tactics that would keep the population divided, busy, fearful, distracted, and ignorant - not stupid, just uniformed and uneducated. Successful as it was, it did not eliminate all opposition.

 

The Bible contains information regarding the oldest of today's organized religions. The plan and its tactics are in it - hidden in plain sight as a religion, but because of schisms within the groups, and the formation of one very large opposition base, the invention of the Gutenberg press, and other unforeseeable obstacles, the plan stalled until around 1947.

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12 hours ago, Extant said:

The Bible contains information regarding the oldest of today's organized religions. The plan and its tactics are in it - hidden in plain sight as a religion, but because of schisms within the groups, and the formation of one very large opposition base, the invention of the Gutenberg press, and other unforeseeable obstacles, the plan stalled until around 1947.

 

Well this isn't entirely left field. I've read a lot about the Alexandrian influence on the bible. Some think that it was conceived with access to world knowledge. That coupled with the fact that it completely usurps known pagan mythologies. The Therapeuts of Alexandria were something like proto christians. And the Alexandria - Antioch connection pretty much founds the NT and christianity. 

 

We've been looking at the possible influence of Buddhist thought in the NT:

 

 

Whatever the case may be, that the bible has usurped other religions in pretty much a given. Conspiracy motives of course are tough to impossible to prove. But there's obvious usurping of the pagan religions and trying to hybridize religion whatever the motives were. 

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29 minutes ago, Joshpantera said:

Well this isn't entirely left field. I've read a lot about the Alexandrian influence on the bible. Some think that it was conceived with access to world knowledge. That coupled with the fact that it completely usurps known pagan mythologies. The Therapeuts of Alexandria were something like proto christians. And the Alexandria - Antioch connection pretty much founds the NT and christianity. 

 

I don't really care for sayings that are constantly regurgitated, but that old saying 'the devil is in the details' might apply here, obscuring the bigger picture which kind of leads to 'can't see the forest for the trees'. If you ask, what's the overall effect of this or that, what did it accomplish, instead of every little detail, the picture starts to come into focus. This was a long range plan complete with a time-line. Here's just a little.

 

In the Old Testament:

- if necessary wait until people forget the past. Treat them like shit until they do. Beat and kill if they whine.

- there is a clear use of trama-based mind control
- there is a clear order to form a large military
- the dos are obvious by what's not a don't (some of the dos: slavery, sexism, racism, prejudice, authorities are above the law, a whole slew of stuff - and 'they' did all that)
- the time-line of the plan is given
- blame others is a clear tactic of the plan

- if a price has to be paid, let someone else pay it

- use sex as a weapon to entrap

and so on.

 

Also, consider the following examples:

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"And he brought forth the people that [were] therein, and put [them] under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem." 2 Samuel 12:31

 

If we could rewrite that verse today, it would go something like this:

 

"And he brought forth the people that [were] therein, and put [them] under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of Germany. So Hitler caused all the people to return unto Jerusalem."

 

The State of Israel was formed in 1948 as a result of Adolph Hitler and his Nazi Party following the plan by a former King of Israel. That king’s name was David. According to the Bible, King David tortured and burned an entire bloodline as an act of vengeance. Biblical vengeance is always taken on innocent people - usually the innocent offspring of the alleged guilty (the supposed offenders being mostly long ago ancestors), or those perceived to be guilty of some slight, real or imagined, against Israel and their lord, usually for very petty reasons.

 

It makes no sense to punish people now for things their distant relative may or may not have done. That's not justice, that is vengence, which just creates more strife and keeps people from coming together. It is a tactic of the plan.

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The trial, torture, and execution of Jesus is a blueprint for every Inquisition trial the Roman Catholic Church has done throughout its' history. First a charge of heresy, then a kangaroo court trial that involves religion and government, then severe torture followed by a painful execution - a punishment that is wholly unjust and anti-human, particularly so because heresy is not a real crime. The real crime is a group of priests believing they know what god wants and if you don't do as you're told by those priests, or don't believe what they tell you to believe, they'd see to it that you'd suffer god's wrath. That is how they spread christianty throughout Europe and the rest of the world. They were following a plan.

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Plenty of examples of it is ok to invade, slaughter, and steal somebody's land if done in the name of god - and boy if that tactic wasn't followed.

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The book of Acts shows the blueprint for hardcore communism. The Jesuits tested communism in Paraguay long before anybody heard the word communism or new what it was. They were following a plan.

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Per the timeline aspect of his suspicions above, the issue of the bible outlining the four lower astrological world ages of the great year comes to mind. 

 

9 hours ago, Extant said:

- the time-line of the plan is given

 

The age of Taurus the bull, Aries the ram, Pisces the fish, ending with Aquarius. @Extant I don't know if you're familiar with the bible's undertone of the great year of precession? It's a timeline. I covers 1/3 of the lower great year. The ages that are considered the darkest ages of the long cycle. 

 

9 hours ago, Extant said:

The real crime is a group of priests believing they know what god wants and if you don't do as you're told by those priests, or don't believe what they tell you to believe, they'd see to it that you'd suffer god's wrath. That is how they spread christianty throughout Europe and the rest of the world. They were following a plan.

 

According to Robert Buvual in "The Mystery of the Sphinx," based on his research he wonders if a cabal of astronomer-priests in Egypt were manipulating men and events according to the celestial timeline of precession of the equinoxes. That takes it way back before it would have been applied to something new, which was the creation of the bible much later in time. Through these Alexandrian connections. The oldest extant translation of the bible is the greek old testament, composed in Alexandria. And the precession of the equinoxes timeline covers the old and new testament writings. 

 

I've noticed that the manipulation of men and events according to celestial timeline is evident right on through the bible. The age of Taurus the bull changing to Aries the ram illustrated through the exodus myth. Where the people stubbornly wanted to worship the golden calf after the ages had changed. I'd say that was probably written and telescoped back in time to illustrate the transition of the former world by the writer. It would have been written in the age of Aries, about when the age of Taurus changed to the age of Aries. As a mythical story. The next change was Aries to Pisces. Which brought about the NT. All of the business of moses changing to jesus is just that - including law and sacrifice to belief and grace. The age of Aries had the axial signs of Aries and Libra. Sacrificial ram and the scales of law. When the ages changed to Pisces and Virgo, the symbolism became the fish and virgin. So a virgin born fisher of men became the mythic story. And the former ways were presented as outdated. There was a strong emphasis put on "belief." But getting down into the details, "to believe" is the astrological theme of the age of Pisces. Well what a coincidence. 

 

Astronomer priest types may have been manipulating men and events spanning back to the Egyptian astronomer priests. Entering the jewish astronomer priests. And carrying on to the christian astronomer priests. Which eventually split off into the esoteric societies of Europe thereafter. All of which seem privy to the use of celestial time tables and astrological timeline thinking. Their manipulations seem tied to trying to lead and force people into observing each astrological world age as they deem fit and appropriate. I picked up on all of this and have read quite a bit in that direction. 

 

And I watch ahead with this in mind because we're now approaching the end of the age of Pisces when it changes to Aquarius. I would expect more of the same. More manipulation of men and events to form up around the changing of the ages. Not by spooky cosmic forces, but from world leaders many of which who have affiliation with esoteric societies and understand these histories. Who literally manipulate situations because they can. The astrological ages merely being a format for carrying out whatever the manipulations may be. And probably thinking they are doing what they're supposed to do by sticking to the formula. 

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37 minutes ago, Joshpantera said:

And I watch ahead with this in mind because we're now approaching the end of the age of Pisces when it changes to Aquarius. I would expect more of the same. More manipulation of men and events to form up around the changing of the ages. Not by spooky cosmic forces, but from world leaders many of which who have affiliation with esoteric societies and understand these histories. Who literally manipulate situations because they can. The astrological ages merely being a format for carrying out whatever the manipulations may be. And probably thinking they are doing what they're supposed to do by sticking to the formula. 

 

Yes, I know, and as you point out, they are following the plan's time-line. They do this when the clock says that. It is what they are suppose to do. If it is not, why are they doing it?

 

The big clock in the sky - the great year, it cannot be manipulated by man-made changes in the calendar. This great year was mapped out by the same folks that brought us Baalbek and human sacrifice - if those cuneiform writings on clay tablets are truthful.

 

And all that is very interesting, but why all the wars, oppression, slavery, government lies, racism, etc? Where is that in the stars? A book that has been in the public domain for over sixteen hundred years, or even ten years, cannot be considered prophetic because in a world like ours, where small groups of people rule the governments, they could organize events to make them appear prophetic. (Prophecies have to shortly come to pass or they have to be considered false - per the rules of the Bible.)

 

A plan, however, follows a time-line. "Wrote the beginning from the ending" is a military tactic. You define the goal, then you write the steps needed to achieve that goal - you write the beginning from the ending. You'd set a time-line to achieve those goals. If the plan is a long term plan, one that transcends generations, you'd need a reliable clock. One that could not be manipulated by man-made calendars. You'd place stone markers, big ones that would stand up to weather etc, to keep track of the time.

 

So yes, I understand that Jesus and his twelve faithfuls are the sun and the constellations, among other things - as is Yahweh and the 12 tribes, and that the NT is a condensed version of the OT with the added threat of eternal torment coming from a loving god, etc.

 

Again, why are the governments going along with this? 1948 and the formation of the State of Israel did not come about because of some type of voodoo instigated by Yahweh. It came about because of the actions taken by governments after those same government purposely had men killing and being killed for god and country, for god and HRM, and for god and the Pope. Something really stinks here.

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On 4/21/2021 at 9:22 AM, Extant said:

Again, why are the governments going along with this? 1948 and the formation of the State of Israel did not come about because of some type of voodoo instigated by Yahweh. It came about because of the actions taken by governments after those same government purposely had men killing and being killed for god and country, for god and HRM, and for god and the Pope. Something really stinks here.

 

Zionist's were trying to get that going for a while. They thought that they needed to get something going in Israel in order to set the stage for the end times. Political powers pandered to jewish and christian wants. Here we are. 

 

On 4/21/2021 at 9:22 AM, Extant said:

A plan, however, follows a time-line. "Wrote the beginning from the ending" is a military tactic. You define the goal, then you write the steps needed to achieve that goal - you write the beginning from the ending. You'd set a time-line to achieve those goals. If the plan is a long term plan, one that transcends generations, you'd need a reliable clock. One that could not be manipulated by man-made calendars. You'd place stone markers, big ones that would stand up to weather etc, to keep track of the time.

 

Since you understand the precession issue, then I'll put it to you that way.

 

It seems to me that if we look at it historically, the manipulating of men and events according to the celestial time table that Robert Buvual was referring to had to do with these astronomer priest types thinking that they were charged with keeping people oriented to the, "as above so below," axiom. When the sky reads age of Taurus the bull, the manipulations go in that direction. When the sky reads Aries the ram, the manipulations go in that direction. Those were the last two descending ages of the former great year cycle. Then the new cycle began with the age of Pisces. The "alpha and omega" point of the cyclic great year. Manipulations began in that direction. As above so below. 

 

The astrological theme of the Picean age is, "to believe." And the manipulation seemed to go in the direction of blind faith and belief with the Piscean age religion. Keeping with the axiom. Even to the extent of trying to fake prophecy. The end justifies the means to these ass wads. All of the killing and everything else falls in line with that. Persecuting non-belief as well. 

 

What's interesting is that the Aquarian age is themed as, "to know," and knowledge. Leaving an age theme of belief for knowledge. If there were more manipulations, what else should we expect aside from more of the same? They would go towards the astrological theme of the new age. The axial age is Aquarius - Leo. Perhaps knowledge and strength could be the virtues of the new age? Symbolized by whatever takes shape. Strength in knowledge, or knowledge is strength. Maybe a salvation through knowledge theme. It depends on how artists and mystics envisions the new age and what will end up sticking. 

 

But the "profile" of the age is there to be understood and recognized for any possible mythic envisioning. The symbols and symbolic meanings can come from Aquarius, Leo and both combined. The axial age now is Pisces - Virgo. The mythic vision that ended up sticking was mythic tales surrounding a virgin born fisher of men. Very easily crafted simply on looking at what the current axial age is and apply both astrological signs to the myth making. The formula for myth making is clear if you're paying attention. Very easy to sit down and recreate mythic tales by inserting the two dominant signs of the next world age in allegorical format. 

 

And if something like the above were to start showing up, well, it would be bloody obvious to those who understand mythology this way. 

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13 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

It seems to me that if we look at it historically, the manipulating of men and events according to the celestial time table that Robert Buvual was referring to had to do with these astronomer priest types thinking that they were charged with keeping people oriented to the, "as above so below," axiom. When the sky reads age of Taurus the bull, the manipulations go in that direction. When the sky reads Aries the ram, the manipulations go in that direction. Those were the last two descending ages of the former great year cycle. Then the new cycle began with the age of Pisces. The "alpha and omega" point of the cyclic great year. Manipulations began in that direction. As above so below. 

 

I wonder what people did before a guy that called himself "A Great God" plotted out the constellations? People were on earth long before he did that. They probably looked at the stars and wondered about it all. That Great God was an Anuannki - supposedly - as reported on clay tablets written in cuneiform. If those guys were real, I wonder if they have any idea how much suffering they caused all of us? For priests to still be following, excuse me, forcing what he plotted out is murderous to say the least.

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@Extant,

 

While you definitely fit the description of ex-christian, you seem to still believe the god described in the bible as a real entity, though not necessarily what it claims to be.  Would you agree with this statement?

 

I'm curious because eastern religions don't seem to have a direct correlation to this being and even have their own, entirely different constellation structure and zodiac.

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4 hours ago, Krowb said:

@Extant,

 

While you definitely fit the description of ex-christian, you seem to still believe the god described in the bible as a real entity, though not necessarily what it claims to be.  Would you agree with this statement?

 

I'm curious because eastern religions don't seem to have a direct correlation to this being and even have their own, entirely different constellation structure and zodiac.

 

This thing is no god and the biblical Jesus, as his story is told, never existed - at least there is no evidence he did, and I'm having a very hard time with this, understanding and describing it. Something I noticed is that for many people it's either one of the organized religions and their god, or none, meaning nothing beyond us. To me that's a choice between true and false and I don't think things are that simple. Anyway, I'm not convinced it's that simple. I have experienced more than a few things that just cannot be explained. Let me tell you about one. I'll include as much as I can remember. Maybe you guys will see something I don't.


The home I lived in at the time of "the event" was situated on just under three acres of land. The property was 600 or so feet front-to-back. The house was a little less than half way back from road. The driveway ran on the left property line when looking at the road from the house, and so the entire front was heavily wooded with old growth Florida. Scrub palms and palmetto bushes, pines, live oak, vines up the wazoo, typical Florida.

 

Between the house and road stood the largest pine on the property from the standpoint of diameter. It was beautiful. Those pines are self pruning so this tree is all trunk up to the canopy except for one branch that stuck out parallel to the road. Some time after I started clearing the land this huge owl would perch on that branch every night and look at the house. It was huge. I had been living in Florida for a couple decades and never once saw an owl before this. I had seen just about everything else in Florida's assorted wildlife, but not an owl. Because of all the stuff I read regarding owls and the layout of Washington DC, the dollar bill, and Bohemian Grove, I thought to myself I don't want that owl on my property.

 

The owl stopped coming around and I didn't notice until the green pine needles turned brown that this tree was now dead so I examined it and sap was pouring out all the holes made by woodpeckers. I assumed it had been hit by lightning. The tree leaned slightly towards the road and the canopy branches favored that direction too. There was no doubt if it came down it would take out the power lines and maybe hit a passing car or jogger. Great I thought, now I'll have to pay to have it removed because I wasn't going to take the chance of cutting it down myself.

 

I knew I had time before the tree was unstable, but in Florida it doesn't take that long before a dead tree can be blown over by the wind. I've seen the wind snap pines that size like they were twigs. I looked at that thing over and over hoping I could safely cut it down. I even looked around and thought that would be a good direction for it to fall. It wouldn't take out other trees, and it's not in the direction of the road, but they way it leaned and the way the canopy was heavy towards the road I wasn't going to take the chance.

 

Some months later something prompted me to take a plum bob and I held it up to the tree. Surprised by what I saw, I walked around to different angles to confirm. It was leaning in a different direction. If I cut the tree down it would fall right where I determined would be the ideal spot. There was no danger of it hitting the road or power lines. I even waiting a few months and checked it again. Then I cut the tree down.

 

Before that, a small dead pine stood maybe 25 or 30 feet right of that pine. The wind had already taken most of it down but a bare trunk maybe thirty feet tall remained. To get to the tree I would have to remove a crap load of palmetto bushes. While doing so I had this thought I should be careful about snakes. I never once thought about snakes before and I had already been clearing that land for almost a year. It took a few weeks removing the palmettos and while doing so I found a couple snake skins. Large ones so I really started looking for snakes while out there. With those palmetto bushes gone I could see the roots of this dead tree were partially exposed. I walked up to the tree and from the dead roots came a cotton mouth. I shit my pants and swung the machete. The blade cut it's head in half at a diagonal. I was using that machete to clear the land and really, I had trouble hitting anything I was aiming at except right then.

 

I get up one morning about a week later and go into the garage to start the riding lawnmower. Coiled up, between the lawnmower and garage door was a cotton mouth. Much smaller than the one that came from the roots of the dead pine, but the smaller the more dangerous. I got that one too. Two decades of living in wooded Florida and never once did I see an owl or cotton mouth before this event. Never saw them after. There's more but this is a start.

 

 

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