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I think my concern with trying to remove the mental health label is that it can remove care and support from people who need it.  If you say there is nothing mentally wrong, it is purely a biological issue, then all psychiatric facilities, psychitrists and support structures are removed, cos if it ain't broke don't fix it.  I have a friend whose daughter was anorexic, they went through hell trying to get her support and it wasn't until she collasped that medically they were able to override her personal wishes and force help on her.  After spending months in a facility she had her body dysmophia fixed, and now is a healthy weight and positive outlook on life.  Without the mental health professionals helping her she would have slowly killed herself.

It feels like gender dysmorpha is in the same boat.  The people are physically fine, genetically fine, but mentally at odds with how they physically are.  Could an intensive professional program work to help their mental state?  I don't know, but we will never know if we refuse to allow mental health professionals to be part of the picture.

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I can see the argument against the term choose, in that you can't choose your beliefs. Sure you have the choice on how you wish to present yourself and how you wish to talk about it but how you feel i

Some days you just can't win, and it is better to remain silent than even broach the topics we see daily. I'm facing something similar regarding the violence in Portland. We had protests over legitima

I believe 'choose' is a perfectly acceptable word there. Even if everyone agrees that one can feel dysphoria about the sex of the body they inhabit, whether they identify their gender according to the

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      I think "race" is too strong of a word for human variations. And it was probably intended that way. The word genetic clusters sounds more precise. 

      Biilogically speaking, diff between a black man and a white man are almost insignificant. Stress the almost. I mean I would be categorised as white (altough noone in my country thinks in American racial terms but European ethnic terms) but there is a biological diff between my genetic cluster and germanic scandinavians. Funny thing, in my country, ethnicity is closer to "race" in America. I mean, for me, instinctually, a russian is an entirely diff person. Calling us both white seems weird. I venture to say that I see Africans and Hungarians as diff ethnicities, equally diifferent from me. Interesting as I think "white" came about also as a consequence of loss of European ethnic identity through intermarriage and culture mixing.

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16 hours ago, Myrkhoos said:

Biilogically speaking, diff between a black man and a white man are almost insignificant.

Currently everyone seems to be bending over backwards to show there is no difference between (pick one) and (pick another). If you want to play, pick two things that are very obviously different. It's as if things can't be clearly and demonstrably different without one being assumed inferior to the other.

 

Black people with blue eyes are assumed (by medical researchers and geneticists) to have some white ancestry and if a white person has sickle cell anemia it's safe to assume at least two ancestors came from Africa. There are biological differences between races -  "genetic clusters" if you prefer politically correct and painfully supererogatory terminology, but everyone knows what race means.

 

 

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Everyone does not know what "race" means. Try telling a Han Chinese (Han ren) they are the same race as a Korean (Han Guo ren) and they'll flip their shit on you.  It's even worse between Koreans and Japanese.  I've made that mistake before.  Everyone knows that Korea is backwards, inbred and, dirty (according to the Chinese). - Until the Chinese travel there, then they're like awww...."it's a like a cute mini-China with more Western brands".

 

So no, people do not agree on what constitutes "race" not even within the US - which has a zealous preoccupation with the term.

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But back on the ex-christian theme.  How odd of it for an all-loving god to create rules around sexual conduct and genders, then create some people on "hard mode" where they, for whatever reason, have extra difficulty abiding by this all-loving god's rules. The one who knit them in their mother's wombs chose them, to have an extra hurdle in an already difficult experience called "life".  Threw them to the world, gave some commandments, and absolutely no manual or assistance when their god-knitted brains have difficulty getting with the god-given program regarding sexuality and identity.

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At the end of the day, regardless of intent or outcomes, Dawkins definitely got the "discuss" part he asked in the original tweet. At the end of the next day, I think the important thing is that people are trying to do the right thing, and disagree with each other - not because they want to put down other groups (for the most part, obviously there are exceptions to this that should be deplored) - but because they have non-humanitarian disagreements, i.e. it's not about debating the worth of a human, it's more a debate about the identity and meaning of existence (ontological disagreement). I can't speak for who is right or wrong - I just don't know enough about the issue to be intelligent - I'm just grateful to be alive in an age that cares so much about getting the value of a human life right, on both sides of the equation (excluding those that find limited value in life dependent on their own views/belief systems). 

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On 5/4/2021 at 12:02 AM, florduh said:

Currently everyone seems to be bending over backwards to show there is no difference between (pick one) and (pick another). If you want to play, pick two things that are very obviously different. It's as if things can't be clearly and demonstrably different without one being assumed inferior to the other.

 

Black people with blue eyes are assumed (by medical researchers and geneticists) to have some white ancestry and if a white person has sickle cell anemia it's safe to assume at least two ancestors came from Africa. There are biological differences between races -  "genetic clusters" if you prefer politically correct and painfully supererogatory terminology, but everyone knows what race means.

 

 

I did say and stress "almost" :) . Altough there are differences between ideas of race, as Krowb said. Like , most European Jews look..well, European, but nazis said they were another race. 

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9 hours ago, Myrkhoos said:

  

I did say and stress "almost" :) . Altough there are differences between ideas of race, as Krowb said. Like , most European Jews look..well, European, but nazis said they were another race. 

Rather that getting rid of discrimination against "races" there is a move to simply deny race as a human component.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/12/what-does-it-mean-to-be-genetically-jewish

 

 

 

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