Cracked Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 It has been a long time since I have posted anything on ExChristian.net but I thought of you guys when searching for a certain symbol. Symbolism is important to me. I can't seem to find any universal ancient symbols that represent Freedom. Does anyone here have any suggestions on where I could direct my search? To the mods please feel free to place this question in any section that is proper. Thank you Craqued REPLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 My first thought: A soaring bird (something like an eagle rather than a dove or other small bird). Second thought: Broken chains and shackles lying in a pile. No ancient symbols spring to mind at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracked Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 @Astreja In one search I found an eagle or a falcon. I would think that with all the symbology in the world there would be a more universal symbol of Freedom and more of them. Interesting. Thanks for the input and if anyone else has anything else please insert what knowledge you have. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted May 13, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Cracked said: @Astreja In one search I found an eagle or a falcon. I would think that with all the symbology in the world there would be a more universal symbol of Freedom and more of them. Interesting. Thanks for the input and if anyone else has anything else please insert what knowledge you have. Thank you. I think the issue might be that it is nearly impossible to find a universal definition of the term "freedom." As a result, what might have symbolized freedom to the ancient Chinese might have symbolized enough to eat for their Innuit counterparts. Broken chains, though, is a more modern symbol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Joshpantera Posted May 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 14, 2021 I see this Italian symbol for freedom: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/314196511496652269/ Here again: https://shanyarmosley.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/project-2-symbols/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderator Margee Posted May 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 14, 2021 A universal symbol......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantheory Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 This is a depiction of the symbol of freedom of the Greeks in Athens about 300 BC. For instance Sparta, at that time, had a great many slaves it captured by wars, but Athens had few. Sparta took many Athenian citizens as slaves in its wars against Athens. This symbol stands for -- give us freedom or death, nothing in between -- Similar to Patrick Henry's U.S. saying "give me liberty or give me death." Freedom was the circle, flags and cross on top, and death was the coffin and X below it. Similar versions of this emblem were used by the Greeks against the Ottomans in their war of independence circa 1820. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 On 5/17/2021 at 11:33 AM, pantheory said: This is a depiction of the symbol of freedom of the Greeks in Athens about 300 BC. For instance Sparta, at that time, had a great many slaves it captured by wars, but Athens had few. Sparta took many Athenian citizens as slaves in its wars against Athens. This symbol stands for -- give us freedom or death, nothing in between -- Similar to Patrick Henry's U.S. saying "give me liberty or give me death." Freedom was the circle, flags and cross on top, and death was the coffin and X below it. Similar versions of this emblem were used by the Greeks against the Ottomans in their war of independence circa 1820. That is from the passport of the Filiki Eteria from the 1800's. Is there an ancient example? mwc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 In Greco-Roman societies this hat, the pileus (sp?), was associated with freedom. The sort of freedom that is conveyed was to freed slaves. In Rome was something that they wear in the ceremony of manumission. The personification of liberty, a woman known as Libertas or Liberty (same as the Statue of Liberty), could be seen holding this hat in some images on things (such as coins). Also, during this ceremony they used a rod, whose name I cannot recall, and that was also a symbol of freedom (which I believe is also shown on the coin above along with the Libertas and the hat). Here's a link to the coin since it has a bit more detail about it specifically. mwc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantheory Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 12 hours ago, mwc said: That is from the passport of the Filiki Eteria from the 1800's. Is there an ancient example? mwc From what I read in my research, the ancient Greet symbol was a similar depiction of freedom, but they gave just one example of it. the one that I posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 10 hours ago, pantheory said: From what I read in my research, the ancient Greet symbol was a similar depiction of freedom, but they gave just one example of it. the one that I posted. Ah, that's disappointing. I would have enjoyed seeing an earlier version. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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