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On 10/7/2021 at 11:08 PM, TheRedneckProfessor said:

god's lie doesn't stop there, either, @walterpthefirst; it goes much deeper.  In Genesis 3:22, god is trying to figure out what to do with Adam now that he had become like god, knowing good and evil.  god decides to banish Adam from The Garden, lest Adam also eat from the Tree of Life and live forever.

 

So, even after eating the fruit of knowledge, Adam was still immortal, so long as he had access to the Tree of Life.  Eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was never going to bring death to Adam and the omniscient god knew that.  It was banishment from The Garden, thereby denying access to the Tree of Life that brought death to Adam. 

 

So, god's claim that eating the fruit of knowledge would bring Adam's death was simply a bald-faced lie.  Not only because god knew he would not die that same day; but also because god knew the power of life and death depended on having access to the Tree of Life.  And god knew he would ultimately deny Adam access to it.

 

Moreover, it was not "sin" that brought death upon all of humanity, excepting your two buddies; rather, it was god's response to Adam's curiosity that killed us all.  god was never interested in a "perfect" creation; and this was never about "sin."  If it were about perfection versus sin, god would never have planted the Tree of Life in The Garden.  Instead, he deceived Adam into condemning himself and the rest of humanity with him.

 

god is not just a liar; he is a fucking liar.

 

Amen.

 

 

Btw Professor, I don't recall exactly where he said it, but somewhere BAA wrote something like...

 

'to discover the true meaning of god's warning about death, Adam had to disobey him and find out the hard way.'

 

If that isn't entrapment I don't know what is.

 

 

Thank you.

 

Walter.

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Playing in the theists' sandbox (i.e., assuming all or certain parts of the Bible are true for discussion purposes) is often a tortuous and muddied path.  Sometimes it is much easier to simply call it poorly written fiction/mythology/literature, be done with it and read other things that are not poorly written.

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9 hours ago, sdelsolray said:

Playing in the theists' sandbox (i.e., assuming all or certain parts of the Bible are true for discussion purposes) is often a tortuous and muddied path.  Sometimes it is much easier to simply call it poorly written fiction/mythology/literature, be done with it and read other things that are not poorly written.

 

Yes, its the easier route to do that, sdelsolray.

 

But quite often the people who come here in the process of deconversion cannot take the easier path of simply dismissing scripture in that way.

 

Too often the bible has played too important a role in their lives for them to just 'switch off' its influence over them.

 

It therefore falls to us to gently show them that this book does not even stand up on its own terms.

 

Doing that means getting into the sandbox and using the very assumptions that they have held to for many years.

 

To demonstrate that the bible contradicts itself, that god contradicts himself and that neither can be trusted.

 

Hence my input into this thread.

 

Thank you.

 

Walter.

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Yes, there's a lot of playing in the theists sand box with this one. But the points still remain. The bible is full of bullshit, even by it's OWN standards....

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