midniterider Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 The bible is 100% nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterpthefirst Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 You have over 250 steps of logic to explain RKI, so the sooner you start with the first one, the sooner you'll be finished. Here's the first one. Please explain the logic that connects these two things, RKI. 33:53 question is what causes this beauty and 33:55 fractals where does it come from how do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn_Kingdom_Image Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, walterpthefirst said: You have over 250 steps of logic to explain RKI, so the sooner you start with the first one, the sooner you'll be finished. Here's the first one. Please explain the logic that connects these two things, RKI. 33:53 question is what causes this beauty and 33:55 fractals where does it come from how do 43:00 they're universal meaning they apply 43:02 everywhere right it's not like two plus 43:04 two equals four well sure here on earth 43:06 but on the moon it might equal five or 43:08 seven no they apply everywhere don't 43:10 they their invariant meaning they don't 43:12 change with time two plus two equals 43:15 four today and tomorrow and last week 43:17 and next Thursday it doesn't matter 43:19 right yeah and we all assume that and 43:22 they're Exceptionalist it's not like two 43:24 plus two equals four most of the time 43:26 and every now and then it's seven no it 43:29 doesn't work that way does it and if you 43:31 think about it these properties of laws 43:32 of mathematics make sense in light of 43:35 the fact that laws of mathematics stem 43:36 from the mind of God because God's 43:38 thoughts are conceptual because all 43:40 thoughts are conceptual so naturally 43:42 laws of mathematics would be conceptual 43:43 they would be universal because God is 43:46 omnipresent he is sovereign over all 43:48 creation he's everywhere and so his 43:51 thinking will govern correct thinking 43:52 everywhere in the universe a God does 43:55 not change with time therefore laws of 43:58 mathematics will not change with time 43:59 the way God thinks about numbers 44:00 today is the way he thought about 44:01 numbers yesterday and the way he will 44:03 always think about numbers because God 44:04 does not change and laws of mathematics 44:07 have no exceptions because God is 44:08 sovereign over everything and so they 44:12 they can't they cannot defy their 44:14 Creator that way they can't and so I 44:17 would argue that the Christian worldview 44:18 can make sense of fractals we can make 44:20 sense that mathematics has beauty built 44:22 into it and complexity built into it we 44:25 can make sense of laws of mathematics 44:26 and the reason that they are universal 44:29 and invariant and exceptionalism it all 44:30 stems from the nature of God the 44:32 Christian worldview can account for this 44:34 the naturalist has a problem somebody 44:37 who believes that nature's all that 44:38 there is he's got a problem because on 44:41 the one hand laws of mathematics are 44:43 conceptual to exist in the mind 44:44 you can't stub your toe and a law of 44:46 math accidentally swallow one you can't 44:48 do that they're non-physical on the 44:50 other hand laws of mathematics existed 44:53 before people so on the one hand they're 44:56 a product of the mind on the other hand 44:58 they existed before human minds but you 45:01 see in the secular view human minds are 45:02 the first unless there's aliens or 45:04 something out there right and even then 45:06 the mathematics would exist before then 45:07 because the universe is governed by 45:09 mathematical laws and so the naturalist 45:12 has a real problem on his hands he's got 45:15 to account for laws of math that are 45:17 conceptual and yet he doesn't have a 45:19 mind beyond people to appeal to this 45:22 problem but in the Christian worldview 45:24 it makes perfect sense because we 45:25 understand there's a mind beyond people 45:27 the mind of God that is sovereign over 45:29 the entire universe I can make sense of 45:31 laws of mathematics and their properties 45:32 the secularist can there are also 45:36 physical fractals this is kind of 45:37 interesting now the perfect fractals 45:39 we've discussed that repeat infinitely 45:41 those are only found in mathematics 45:43 mathematics goes on forever the physical 45:45 world you zoom in so much and you get to 45:48 the level of atoms and things stop being 45:50 fractal but nonetheless the physical 45:52 world contains things that are proximate 45:54 fractals they repeat many times just not 45:56 infinitely times okay 45:58 and so let's take a look at some of 45:59 these fractals in the physical world one 46:01 that you're very familiar with in 46:02 Nebraska it's snowflake yeah and these 46:06 little gems from heaven that we get 46:08 angry at and shovel them off for car but 46:09 they're quite stunningly beautiful when 46:11 you take a look at them on the 46:12 microscopic steel they are fractal in 46:14 the sense that 46:14 they that that same basic pattern 46:16 repeats maybe not exactly but it you can 46:18 zoom in you still get the six fold 46:19 symmetry due to the nature of the water 46:22 molecule and so on so snow has a fractal 46:24 shape to it it really does that stuff 46:27 that grows on your windows I always 46:28 thought this was amazing when I was a 46:29 kid and I frankly I still think it's 46:31 amazing these beautiful patterns that 46:33 will form on your window and when the 46:35 when the humidity's right and the 46:36 temperatures right 46:37 that's a fractal pattern you zoom in on 46:38 it it branches and it branches into 46:40 branches and so on and so it's quite 46:42 lovely and ferns are fractal because you 46:47 have a stem and it has and it has 46:50 growing off the side stems which have 46:53 growing off the sides of those stems 46:54 which have growing off the side and so 46:55 on and it repeats on smaller and smaller 46:58 scales the the overall fern looks 47:00 similar to any section of it that is a 47:02 fractal I even found fractal broccoli so 47:05 I guess broccoli is good for something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterpthefirst Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Please explain the logic that connects these two things, RKI. 33:53 question is what causes this beauty and 33:55 fractals where does it come from how do Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Reborn_Kingdom_Image said: 43:00 they're universal meaning they apply 43:02 everywhere right it's not like two plus 43:04 two equals four well sure here on earth 43:06 but on the moon it might equal five or 43:08 seven no they apply everywhere don't 43:10 they their invariant meaning they don't 43:12 change with time two plus two equals 43:15 four today and tomorrow and last week 43:17 and next Thursday it doesn't matter 43:19 right yeah and we all assume that and 43:22 they're Exceptionalist it's not like two 43:24 plus two equals four most of the time 43:26 and every now and then it's seven no it 43:29 doesn't work that way does it and if you 43:31 think about it these properties of laws 43:32 of mathematics make sense in light of 43:35 the fact that laws of mathematics stem 43:36 from the mind of God because God's 43:38 thoughts are conceptual because all 43:40 thoughts are conceptual so naturally 43:42 laws of mathematics would be conceptual 43:43 they would be universal because God is 43:46 omnipresent he is sovereign over all 43:48 creation he's everywhere and so his 43:51 thinking will govern correct thinking 43:52 everywhere in the universe a God does 43:55 not change with time therefore laws of 43:58 mathematics will not change with time 43:59 the way God thinks about numbers 44:00 today is the way he thought about 44:01 numbers yesterday and the way he will 44:03 always think about numbers because God 44:04 does not change and laws of mathematics 44:07 have no exceptions because God is 44:08 sovereign over everything and so they 44:12 they can't they cannot defy their 44:14 Creator that way they can't and so I 44:17 would argue that the Christian worldview 44:18 can make sense of fractals we can make 44:20 sense that mathematics has beauty built 44:22 into it and complexity built into it we 44:25 can make sense of laws of mathematics 44:26 and the reason that they are universal 44:29 and invariant and exceptionalism it all 44:30 stems from the nature of God the 44:32 Christian worldview can account for this 44:34 the naturalist has a problem somebody 44:37 who believes that nature's all that 44:38 there is he's got a problem because on 44:41 the one hand laws of mathematics are 44:43 conceptual to exist in the mind 44:44 you can't stub your toe and a law of 44:46 math accidentally swallow one you can't 44:48 do that they're non-physical on the 44:50 other hand laws of mathematics existed 44:53 before people so on the one hand they're 44:56 a product of the mind on the other hand 44:58 they existed before human minds but you 45:01 see in the secular view human minds are 45:02 the first unless there's aliens or 45:04 something out there right and even then 45:06 the mathematics would exist before then 45:07 because the universe is governed by 45:09 mathematical laws and so the naturalist 45:12 has a real problem on his hands he's got 45:15 to account for laws of math that are 45:17 conceptual and yet he doesn't have a 45:19 mind beyond people to appeal to this 45:22 problem but in the Christian worldview 45:24 it makes perfect sense because we 45:25 understand there's a mind beyond people 45:27 the mind of God that is sovereign over 45:29 the entire universe I can make sense of 45:31 laws of mathematics and their properties 45:32 the secularist can there are also 45:36 physical fractals this is kind of 45:37 interesting now the perfect fractals 45:39 we've discussed that repeat infinitely 45:41 those are only found in mathematics 45:43 mathematics goes on forever the physical 45:45 world you zoom in so much and you get to 45:48 the level of atoms and things stop being 45:50 fractal but nonetheless the physical 45:52 world contains things that are proximate 45:54 fractals they repeat many times just not 45:56 infinitely times okay 45:58 and so let's take a look at some of 45:59 these fractals in the physical world one 46:01 that you're very familiar with in 46:02 Nebraska it's snowflake yeah and these 46:06 little gems from heaven that we get 46:08 angry at and shovel them off for car but 46:09 they're quite stunningly beautiful when 46:11 you take a look at them on the 46:12 microscopic steel they are fractal in 46:14 the sense that 46:14 they that that same basic pattern 46:16 repeats maybe not exactly but it you can 46:18 zoom in you still get the six fold 46:19 symmetry due to the nature of the water 46:22 molecule and so on so snow has a fractal 46:24 shape to it it really does that stuff 46:27 that grows on your windows I always 46:28 thought this was amazing when I was a 46:29 kid and I frankly I still think it's 46:31 amazing these beautiful patterns that 46:33 will form on your window and when the 46:35 when the humidity's right and the 46:36 temperatures right 46:37 that's a fractal pattern you zoom in on 46:38 it it branches and it branches into 46:40 branches and so on and so it's quite 46:42 lovely and ferns are fractal because you 46:47 have a stem and it has and it has 46:50 growing off the side stems which have 46:53 growing off the sides of those stems 46:54 which have growing off the side and so 46:55 on and it repeats on smaller and smaller 46:58 scales the the overall fern looks 47:00 similar to any section of it that is a 47:02 fractal I even found fractal broccoli so 47:05 I guess broccoli is good for something What is all this shit? 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walterpthefirst Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, midniterider said: What is all this shit? These are the many steps of logic by which RKI knows that the infinite fractal requires a designer. He's going to explain the logical steps between all of them. But he seems to be stuck on the first step. Which is why I keep asking him. Eventually he'll get round to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 9, 2022 Super Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, Reborn_Kingdom_Image said: satan was the first to sin ...to rebel against The Will of GOD. he was in Heaven at the time. satan started tempting humans before Adam. Cool story; but I didn't ask about heaven. I asked about earth. When did sin enter into the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn_Kingdom_Image Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Cool story; but I didn't ask about heaven. I asked about earth. When did sin enter into the world? Do you only read the first two sentences of each response?satan started tempting humans before Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 9, 2022 Super Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, walterpthefirst said: Eventually he'll get round to it... I've got a round tuit y'all can borrow if ya need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 9, 2022 Super Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, Reborn_Kingdom_Image said: Do you only read the first two sentences of each response?satan started tempting humans before Adam. Hmm... so that tells me how temptation entered the world (in a much larger font than is necessary). But I didn't ask about temptation. I asked about sin. When did sin enter into the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn_Kingdom_Image Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Hmm... so that tells me how temptation entered the world (in a much larger font than is necessary). But I didn't ask about temptation. I asked about sin. When did sin enter into the world? ::sigh:: temptation is what leads to sin ...but the Scripture shows ...it didn't count as sin until GOD set Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 9, 2022 Super Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Reborn_Kingdom_Image said: sigh Sigh, indeed. Instead of telling me when sin entered the world, you go on about the relationship between temptation and sin and then comment on the law. Look. It's a simple question. You've got the spirit of the omniscient god upon you. Why can't you simply give a simple answer to my simple question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn_Kingdom_Image Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 minute ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Sigh, indeed. Instead of telling me when sin entered the world, you go on about the relationship between temptation and sin and then comment on the law. Look. It's a simple question. You've got the spirit of the omniscient god upon you. Why can't you simply give a simple answer to my simple question? sin entered the world when GOD set Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 9, 2022 Super Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Reborn_Kingdom_Image said: sin entered the world when GOD set Law. No. That's not true. Because earlier you said there was sin before Adam and that there was sin before there was law but it didn't count until after there was law. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn_Kingdom_Image Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 minute ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: No. That's not true. Because earlier you said there was sin before Adam and that there was sin before there was law but it didn't count until after there was law. Try again. Do you understand that sin can still be sin before it is counted as such? Adam got Law ...to not eat from the wrong tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 9, 2022 Super Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Reborn_Kingdom_Image said: Do you understand that sin can still be sin before it is counted Do you understand that if sin is in the world then it must have gotten here at some point in time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn_Kingdom_Image Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 minute ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Do you understand that if sin is in the world then it must have gotten here at some point in time? Are you pretending that i didn't just explain what satan's role in this is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 9, 2022 Super Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, Reborn_Kingdom_Image said: Are you pretending that i didn't just explain what satan's role in this is? No. Are you pretending to have answered the question by contradicting your earlier statements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 52 minutes ago, walterpthefirst said: These are the many steps of logic by which RKI knows that the infinite fractal requires a designer. He's going to explain the logical steps between all of them. But he seems to be stuck on the first step. Which is why I keep asking him. Eventually he'll get round to it... Copy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn_Kingdom_Image Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, midniterider said: Copy that. He is refusing to watch the video that has the answer so i'm posting the transcript. Please go back to the beginning of this thread and read the first four posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn_Kingdom_Image Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: No. Are you pretending to have answered the question by contradicting your earlier statements? Take your pick, satan starting sin and causing it to enter the world ...or GOD causing that sin to count with Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 How did sin enter the world? From whence did it come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Why should anyone care what the bible says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 The bible has zero authority. It is fiction, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Cool story; but I didn't ask about heaven. I asked about earth. When did sin enter into the world? Cool story, Mandelbro(t).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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