◊ Krowb ◊ Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Read an interesting article that at least part of the Ukrainian situation is religious in nature. Apparently the Russian Orthodox church is credited with beginning in Kyiv. Of course, Facebook is full of prayers for the people and Christians of Ukraine. Is anyone familiar with how the Russian orthodox church views the other denominations? Apparently they were disfellowshipped from the rest of the Eastern Orthodox community. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a39212527/russia-ukraine-orthodox-christianity-crusade/ https://unherd.com/2022/02/putins-spiritual-destiny/ From my limited understanding, the God of the Russian Orthodox is in favor of the military action, while the God of the protestant denominations oppose it. So who is God again and what side is he on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TABA Posted February 25, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Krowb said: From my limited understanding, the God of the Russian Orthodox is in favor of the military action, while the God of the protestant denominations oppose it. So who is God again and what side is he on? No doubt the God of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is against the invasion. Probably the Romanian Orthodox God too. Putin has wrapped himself in Russian religious nationalism though he was presumably an enthusiastic atheist during his KGB years. Our member @Myrkhoos is a deconvert from Romanian Orthodox Christianity, so he may have some insight here. Not sure if he will see this if he’s not a member of the Opine Club though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 25, 2022 Super Moderator Share Posted February 25, 2022 Hmm... another another Ukraine thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Krowb ◊ Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 @TheRedneckProfessor that's why I stuck it in opine club. I'm more interested (for the purposes of this thread) in the religious contention of two very closely related Christian sects literally at war with each other and both sides surely claim God is on their side. I also didn't realize how closely linked the Russian Orthodox is to the the Russian military. This is looking like medieval Europe all over again. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Krowb ◊ Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 When orthodox churches are out of communion with each other does that mean they consider the other side as heretics? I.e. is communion a requirement of salvation for the orthodox churches? Not finding much help online (the English speaking world not being their target audience). It appears some of the Catholics do treat the Eucharist as necessary for salvation: https://www.catholic.com/qa/is-the-eucharist-necessary-for-salvation. Any time the orthodox are at odds with each other are they functionally condemning their disfellowshipped brethren to hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LogicalFallacy Posted March 14, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 4:31 AM, TABA said: No doubt the God of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is against the invasion. Probably the Romanian Orthodox God too. Putin has wrapped himself in Russian religious nationalism though he was presumably an enthusiastic atheist during his KGB years. Our member @Myrkhoos is a deconvert from Romanian Orthodox Christianity, so he may have some insight here. Not sure if he will see this if he’s not a member of the Opine Club though. There is a clip of Hitchens warning about the rise of Putin and his ties with the Russian Orthodox Church. I'll see if I can hunt it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankStranger Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 9:07 AM, Krowb said: Read an interesting article that at least part of the Ukrainian situation is religious in nature. Apparently the Russian Orthodox church is credited with beginning in Kyiv. Of course, Facebook is full of prayers for the people and Christians of Ukraine. Is anyone familiar with how the Russian orthodox church views the other denominations? Apparently they were disfellowshipped from the rest of the Eastern Orthodox community. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a39212527/russia-ukraine-orthodox-christianity-crusade/ https://unherd.com/2022/02/putins-spiritual-destiny/ From my limited understanding, the God of the Russian Orthodox is in favor of the military action, while the God of the protestant denominations oppose it. So who is God again and what side is he on? Earlier this Spring a dear old Christian told me that the Ukrainians were winning because God was on their side. Just like when he kicked ass with the Israelites! She doesn't seem so sure these days. I'm thinking maybe God isn't so interested at the moment when the news isn't so exciting for NATO. I expect that to change soon. God help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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