Sexton Blake Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors; Or, Christianity Before Christ, Containing New, Startling, and Extraordinary Revelations in Religious History, which Disclose the Oriental Origin of All the Doctrines, Principles, Precepts, and Miracles of the Christian New Testament, and Furnishing a Key for Unlocking Many of Its Sacred Mysteries, Besides Comprising the History of 16 Heathen Crucified Gods is an 1875 book written by American freethinker Kersey Graves,[1] which asserts that Jesus was not an actual person, but was a creation largely based on earlier stories of deities or god-men saviours who had been crucified and descended to and ascended from the underworld. Parts were reprinted in The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read edited by Tim C. Leedom in 1994, and it was republished in its entirety in 2001. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_Sixteen_Crucified_Saviors Here is Graves' main list, arranged chronologically: Thulis of Egypt, 1700 B. C.[5] Krishna of India, 1200 B.C. Crite of Chaldea, 1200 B.C.[6][7] Atys of Phrygia, 1170 B.C. Thammuz or Tammuz of Syria, 1160 B.C. Hesus or Eros 834 B.C. Bali of Orissa, 725 B.C.[8] Indra of Thibet (Tibet), 725 B.C. Iao of Nepaul (Nepal), 622 B.C.[9][10] Buddha Sakia (Muni) of India, 600 B.C.[11] Mitra (Mithra) of Persia, 600 B.C. Alcestos of Euripides, 600 B.C. Quezalcoatl of Mexico, 587 B.C. Wittoba of the Bilingonese, 552 B.C.[12] Prometheus or Æschylus of Caucasus, 547 B.C. Quirinus of Rome, 506 B.C. He also lists a number of other holy figures who took the form of men and then ascended into heaven, including: Salivahana of Bermuda Zulis or Zhule of Egypt[13] Osiris of Egypt Oru of Egypt Odin of the Scandinavians Zoroaster of Persia Baal of Phoenicia Taut, "the only Begotten of God" of Phoenicia, inventor of letters[14] Bali of Afghanistan Xamolxis (Zalmoxis) of Thrace Zoar of the Bonzes Adad of Assyria Deva Tat of Siam (Thailand) Sammonocadam (Sommona-Codom) of Siam (Thailand)[15] Alcides of Thebes Mikado of the Sintoos Beddru of Japan Bremrillah of the Druids[16] Thor son of Odin of the Gauls/Norse Cadmus of Greece Hil/Feta of the Mandaites[17] Gentaut of Mexico[18] Universal Monarch of the Sibyls Ischy of Formosa (Taiwan)[19] Divine Teacher of Plato Holy One of Xaca[20] (Fohi) of China Tien of China Adonis son of the virgin Io of Greece Ixion of Rome Mohamud or Mahomet of Arabia. Jesus was just one of a very big crowd. In light of this, he was never anything special when taken in the right context. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontheistpilgrim Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 9:55 AM, Sexton Blake said: The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors; Or, Christianity Before Christ, Containing New, Startling, and Extraordinary Revelations in Religious History, which Disclose the Oriental Origin of All the Doctrines, Principles, Precepts, and Miracles of the Christian New Testament, and Furnishing a Key for Unlocking Many of Its Sacred Mysteries, Besides Comprising the History of 16 Heathen Crucified Gods is an 1875 book written by American freethinker Kersey Graves,[1] which asserts that Jesus was not an actual person, but was a creation largely based on earlier stories of deities or god-men saviours who had been crucified and descended to and ascended from the underworld. Parts were reprinted in The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read edited by Tim C. Leedom in 1994, and it was republished in its entirety in 2001. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_Sixteen_Crucified_Saviors Here is Graves' main list, arranged chronologically: Thulis of Egypt, 1700 B. C.[5] Krishna of India, 1200 B.C. Crite of Chaldea, 1200 B.C.[6][7] Atys of Phrygia, 1170 B.C. Thammuz or Tammuz of Syria, 1160 B.C. Hesus or Eros 834 B.C. Bali of Orissa, 725 B.C.[8] Indra of Thibet (Tibet), 725 B.C. Iao of Nepaul (Nepal), 622 B.C.[9][10] Buddha Sakia (Muni) of India, 600 B.C.[11] Mitra (Mithra) of Persia, 600 B.C. Alcestos of Euripides, 600 B.C. Quezalcoatl of Mexico, 587 B.C. Wittoba of the Bilingonese, 552 B.C.[12] Prometheus or Æschylus of Caucasus, 547 B.C. Quirinus of Rome, 506 B.C. He also lists a number of other holy figures who took the form of men and then ascended into heaven, including: Salivahana of Bermuda Zulis or Zhule of Egypt[13] Osiris of Egypt Oru of Egypt Odin of the Scandinavians Zoroaster of Persia Baal of Phoenicia Taut, "the only Begotten of God" of Phoenicia, inventor of letters[14] Bali of Afghanistan Xamolxis (Zalmoxis) of Thrace Zoar of the Bonzes Adad of Assyria Deva Tat of Siam (Thailand) Sammonocadam (Sommona-Codom) of Siam (Thailand)[15] Alcides of Thebes Mikado of the Sintoos Beddru of Japan Bremrillah of the Druids[16] Thor son of Odin of the Gauls/Norse Cadmus of Greece Hil/Feta of the Mandaites[17] Gentaut of Mexico[18] Universal Monarch of the Sibyls Ischy of Formosa (Taiwan)[19] Divine Teacher of Plato Holy One of Xaca[20] (Fohi) of China Tien of China Adonis son of the virgin Io of Greece Ixion of Rome Mohamud or Mahomet of Arabia. Jesus was just one of a very big crowd. In light of this, he was never anything special when taken in the right context. I only have read about sixty pages and am constantly amazed by what I am reading. I knew next-to-nothing of this material and only had heard snippets about some of the claims. Where have these facts been for well over a century? How can Christianity survive aganist it all (that's a rhetorical question, Christianity will survive because people need a prop and an idea to follow, however tenuous or naive or foolish). Thanks for highlighting the book - unputdownable. I cannot imagine what would happen if I shared it with some of my fundamentalist friends! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Joshpantera Posted March 28, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 28, 2022 Richard Carrier has tried to keep to a conservative list for debate purposes, but even then, the point is well made that the christ myth is mundane and unoriginal at best. Even by conservative standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontheistpilgrim Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 11 hours ago, Joshpantera said: Richard Carrier has tried to keep to a conservative list for debate purposes, but even then, the point is well made that the christ myth is mundane and unoriginal at best. Even by conservative standards. That's what I felt. It seems at times that Graves is 'protesting too much' but if you whittle it down to 25% it still is convincing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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