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A former Muslim tells how 2 Coptic Christians healed his mortally ill cousin - if God does not exist, how is it possible?

A person who tells his story before converting to Christianity beat up a Christian classmate with the intention of killing him along with other Muslims and left him to bleed out. When they returned, he was gone. Then he went to Egypt (after he had converted) and suddenly met the person he thought he had killed - alive. It turned out that this person was still praying for the ex-Muslim who hurt him. And the title of the video says, "I murdered him for Allah, but God raised him to forgive me."

 

My question: do these people make up their stories? And if so, how do you know that they are inventing and not telling the truth? How to find out?

I know that I have already touched on similar threads, but here it is also about something else: too much synchronicity for it to be an invented lie: for example, suddenly a person goes to Egypt and meets a Christian there, whom he previously killed. This Christian has been praying for this person all the time, and he also suddenly meets this person in Egypt.

 

If this were to be a fabricated lie then the entire channel (One for Israel) would have to be based on guesswork, deception and vivid imagination - then why are they winning their faithful? If these are a lie, then Christians cannot be trusted, nor can anyone else, because miraculous events also happen in the lives of unbelievers. Besides, why would someone make it up when this event changed his life?

 

I'm sorry, I'm annoying and I realize it, but I don't know how to react to such things, especially since my friend who is a Christian has contacted me recently and I'm already waiting for him to start telling me his wonderful stories, and I have no idea what to answer him ..... On the one hand I am skeptical and I think: maybe someone has heard something similar and discovered that something is wrong with it? On the other hand, I feel anxious that this might be true and that is how God is trying to speak to me ...

 

Recently I read about the myth of Jesus, but this video touched me a bit, because if someone experiences such "miraculous" events in life, and Jesus does not exist, these events indicate that someone like God must exist, then I read atheistic arguments and think: no Well, there are contradictions in the Bible, Yahveh may have come from an earlier deity El, something is wrong here - but someone has experienced this God! Someone has been resurrected and has had wonderful synchronicities in life. Well, maybe agnostics and atheists were wrong?

 

How did you come to the point that such videos do not move you and you may not worry about them, and even though I read various arguments or even started taking days off from all this, as soon as I see something like this video, I start to fear that the Christians can be right?

 

In addition, I found a page where there are many people's testimonies of how God helped them in their lives. I felt even more anxious because browsing this website and reading about what these people were doing (e.g. modeling something that interests me, and God pulled someone out of it, something like that), I feel condemned for my life. How is it that so many people think that Jesus helped them or that Jesus changed their lives when in fact there is no one or there is no good evidence for him? Who then helped them? What this is about?:

 

https://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/?mobile=false

 

I feel condemned because I cannot return to this religion, I do not want and I cannot imagine my life as a Christian, guessing what God wants and what God does not want from me, constantly sacrificing himself and living not his own life, but turning into Jesus, and I do not feel free to the life I wanted to live and I am afraid that I will never be free again, because such stories haunt me and the fact that only in Jesus is fulfilled and he changed the life of so many people, and I cannot convince myself somehow. thinking about her Christianity, she had a trauma ...

 

Please help, whatever, and sorry if this topic is too similar to the previous ones.

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Aibao, I think I will start answering all your posts with this question.  Have you contacted  recoveringfromreligion.org?

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23 hours ago, Aibao said:

How did you come to the point that such videos do not move you and you may not worry about them, and even though I read various arguments or even started taking days off from all this, as soon as I see something like this video, I start to fear that the Christians can be right?

 

Simple.  I don't believe in the supernatural at all, and therefore I have assessed the probability at 0.00.  I have no fear of hell and believe with 100% certainty that the Christian testimonials are arrant nonsense and not to be taken seriously.

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There are YouTube videos claiming that the Earth is flat, Aibao.

 

Does this mean that the Earth really is flat?

 

If your answer to this question is No, then why do you believe what is being claimed in your video is true?

 

Is everything posted on YouTube true?

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On 5/31/2022 at 2:27 PM, Aibao said:

 

 

 

 

A former Muslim tells how 2 Coptic Christians healed his mortally ill cousin - if God does not exist, how is it possible?

A person who tells his story before converting to Christianity beat up a Christian classmate with the intention of killing him along with other Muslims and left him to bleed out. When they returned, he was gone. Then he went to Egypt (after he had converted) and suddenly met the person he thought he had killed - alive. It turned out that this person was still praying for the ex-Muslim who hurt him. And the title of the video says, "I murdered him for Allah, but God raised him to forgive me."

 

My question: do these people make up their stories? And if so, how do you know that they are inventing and not telling the truth? How to find out?

I know that I have already touched on similar threads, but here it is also about something else: too much synchronicity for it to be an invented lie: for example, suddenly a person goes to Egypt and meets a Christian there, whom he previously killed. This Christian has been praying for this person all the time, and he also suddenly meets this person in Egypt.

 

If this were to be a fabricated lie then the entire channel (One for Israel) would have to be based on guesswork, deception and vivid imagination - then why are they winning their faithful? If these are a lie, then Christians cannot be trusted, nor can anyone else, because miraculous events also happen in the lives of unbelievers. Besides, why would someone make it up when this event changed his life?

 

I'm sorry, I'm annoying and I realize it, but I don't know how to react to such things, especially since my friend who is a Christian has contacted me recently and I'm already waiting for him to start telling me his wonderful stories, and I have no idea what to answer him ..... On the one hand I am skeptical and I think: maybe someone has heard something similar and discovered that something is wrong with it? On the other hand, I feel anxious that this might be true and that is how God is trying to speak to me ...

 

Recently I read about the myth of Jesus, but this video touched me a bit, because if someone experiences such "miraculous" events in life, and Jesus does not exist, these events indicate that someone like God must exist, then I read atheistic arguments and think: no Well, there are contradictions in the Bible, Yahveh may have come from an earlier deity El, something is wrong here - but someone has experienced this God! Someone has been resurrected and has had wonderful synchronicities in life. Well, maybe agnostics and atheists were wrong?

 

How did you come to the point that such videos do not move you and you may not worry about them, and even though I read various arguments or even started taking days off from all this, as soon as I see something like this video, I start to fear that the Christians can be right?

 

In addition, I found a page where there are many people's testimonies of how God helped them in their lives. I felt even more anxious because browsing this website and reading about what these people were doing (e.g. modeling something that interests me, and God pulled someone out of it, something like that), I feel condemned for my life. How is it that so many people think that Jesus helped them or that Jesus changed their lives when in fact there is no one or there is no good evidence for him? Who then helped them? What this is about?:

 

https://www.cbn.com/700club/features/Amazing/?mobile=false

 

I feel condemned because I cannot return to this religion, I do not want and I cannot imagine my life as a Christian, guessing what God wants and what God does not want from me, constantly sacrificing himself and living not his own life, but turning into Jesus, and I do not feel free to the life I wanted to live and I am afraid that I will never be free again, because such stories haunt me and the fact that only in Jesus is fulfilled and he changed the life of so many people, and I cannot convince myself somehow. thinking about her Christianity, she had a trauma ...

 

Please help, whatever, and sorry if this topic is too similar to the previous ones.

 

"A former Muslim tells how 2 Coptic Christians healed his mortally ill cousin - if God does not exist, how is it possible?"

 

As we both know, highly unlikely things can and do happen by chance all the time. If the odds against it are 100 to one, it's out of the ordinary. If the odds are a million to one against it, it's almost unbelievable, If the odds are a billion to one or greater against it happening then you won the lottery, but such things do happen every day, don't they?

 

Hi Albao, You know I don't believe in miracles, but I know highly unlikely things happen every day.

 

with best regards to you.

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Yes Albao, I agree, it's a wonderful story. I too hope that most, or all of it is true. As you probably know however, that almost everyone in this forum would like there to be an all loving God, as you would like, and that everyone worthy would go to heaven or some kind of beautiful afterlife. But many or most of us here know that religion is just a bedtime story for little children and those that want to believe and follow beautiful fairy tales rather than science and logic that can be proven.

 

cheers again :)

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On 1.06.2022 at 06:11, Weezer said:

Aibao, myślę, że zacznę odpowiadać na wszystkie twoje posty tym pytaniem. Czy skontaktowałeś się z recoveryfromreligion.org?

Unfortunately, no, because from what I can see on this page, the contact is by phone and there is an appointment. And my English is not that good at speaking. By saying I can't even explain the basis of my problem ...😕

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On 2.06.2022 at 01:20, walterpthefirst said:

Są filmy na YouTube, które twierdzą, że Ziemia jest płaska, Aibao.

 

Czy to oznacza, że Ziemia naprawdę jest płaska?

 

Jeśli Twoja odpowiedź na to pytanie brzmi „Nie”, to dlaczego uważasz, że to, co jest przedmiotem roszczenia w Twoim filmie, jest prawdą?

 

Czy wszystko, co publikujesz na YouTube, jest prawdą?

Actually, I think the Earth is a ball. But if you would give me evidence and pictures of a flat Earth, maybe I would believe in a flat Earth? Additionally, if you told me that if I didn't believe in a flat Earth some mysterious leader of the flat Earth sect would chase and torture me, I would have considered the evidence for a flat Earth even more. Stupid, I know, but if you were scared by torture, wouldn't you try to believe it to save yourself from suffering and fear?

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On 2.06.2022 at 02:09, pantheory said:

 

 

„Były muzułmanin opowiada, jak dwóch koptyjskich chrześcijan uzdrowiło swojego śmiertelnie chorego kuzyna – jeśli Bóg nie istnieje, jak to możliwe?”

 

Jak oboje wiemy, wysoce nieprawdopodobne rzeczy mogą i zdarzają się przypadkowo przez cały czas. Jeśli szanse na to wynoszą 100 do jednego, jest to niezwykłe. Jeśli szanse na to są milion do jednego, to prawie niewiarygodne. Jeśli szanse na to są miliard do jednego lub więcej, to wygrałeś na loterii, ale takie rzeczy zdarzają się codziennie, prawda?

 

Cześć Albao, Wiesz, że nie wierzę w cuda, ale wiem, że codziennie zdarzają się bardzo mało prawdopodobne rzeczy.

 

z pozdrowieniami dla ciebie.

I began to look for testimonies of conversions and spiritual experiences from other religions to see if Christianity is really so unusual that it causes miraculous events and people are converted. I was amazed - it turns out that a man in India had a wonderful meeting with Krishna and had an experience of hearing prayers in a Hindu temple. I started looking further and found an interesting site that collects testimonies from various religions (including Islam, Christianity - various factions, Taoism - although it is not religion, Hinduism, Urantia, and even the spiritual experiences of non-believers):

 

http://testimoniesofotherfaiths.blogspot.com/

 

 

After reviewing these things, Christianity ceased to seem so unusual for a while. But then this thought came:

If every religion has spiritual experiences and testimonies of conversion, is it possible that Jesus is the right answer after all, but that others in other religions do not recognize him because they are not God's chosen one and God has committed them to a false deception? This could explain Calvinism. But wait a minute, if you are not a Calvinist, you can explain your conversion to other religions through the actions of Satan, because Satan can also act as an angel of light.

 

I'm stuck. I am stuck in apologetic thoughts and anxiety that the Bible works here and the apologists might be right and I might be wrong. Additionally, when I read Hindu testimonies it seems so strange, suspicious, improbable and lying to me - but when I read Christian testimonies it is not - can my gut be that Christianity is real then?

 

I am also reminded of the words of a certain (Polish) creationist from the debate, who said something like that unbelievers know well that there is a biblical God, but they suppress the truth because they do not want him in their lives. I just felt that I could explain the truth, so Christian articles will seem true to me, and Hindu articles will seem false, because I know the truth subconsciously, but I prefer to reject it.

 

Sorry for having to read such things. I'm ashamed of myself, because at the same time I realize how silly I must sound for you now, but unfortunately yes, I'm like in a maze, I'm trying to get out, but there's no way out. I also want to know the truth (not suppress it), but the more I look, the more I get lost and worried. I am like a situation with no way out.....

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2 hours ago, Aibao said:

I began to look for testimonies of conversions and spiritual experiences from other religions to see if Christianity is really so unusual that it causes miraculous events and people are converted. I was amazed - it turns out that a man in India had a wonderful meeting with Krishna and had an experience of hearing prayers in a Hindu temple. I started looking further and found an interesting site that collects testimonies from various religions (including Islam, Christianity - various factions, Taoism - although it is not religion, Hinduism, Urantia, and even the spiritual experiences of non-believers):

 

http://testimoniesofotherfaiths.blogspot.com/

 

 

After reviewing these things, Christianity ceased to seem so unusual for a while. But then this thought came:

If every religion has spiritual experiences and testimonies of conversion, is it possible that Jesus is the right answer after all, but that others in other religions do not recognize him because they are not God's chosen one and God has committed them to a false deception? This could explain Calvinism. But wait a minute, if you are not a Calvinist, you can explain your conversion to other religions through the actions of Satan, because Satan can also act as an angel of light.

 

I'm stuck. I am stuck in apologetic thoughts and anxiety that the Bible works here and the apologists might be right and I might be wrong. Additionally, when I read Hindu testimonies it seems so strange, suspicious, improbable and lying to me - but when I read Christian testimonies it is not - can my gut be that Christianity is real then?

 

I am also reminded of the words of a certain (Polish) creationist from the debate, who said something like that unbelievers know well that there is a biblical God, but they suppress the truth because they do not want him in their lives. I just felt that I could explain the truth, so Christian articles will seem true to me, and Hindu articles will seem false, because I know the truth subconsciously, but I prefer to reject it.

 

Sorry for having to read such things. I'm ashamed of myself, because at the same time I realize how silly I must sound for you now, but unfortunately yes, I'm like in a maze, I'm trying to get out, but there's no way out. I also want to know the truth (not suppress it), but the more I look, the more I get lost and worried. I am like a situation with no way out.....

 

 

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On 6/4/2022 at 6:26 PM, pantheory said:

 

 

 

Like you were explaining to me Albao. no need for apologies for either of us. We're just having a discussion. I think the subject is simple and you think it's complicated. You think region is serious and I think it's a fable. You're a good girl and I'm a good boy :),  right?

 

btw.. I think your English is very good.

 

Cheers again Albao, with best regards. Forrest

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Aibao, this is questions forum and I want to ask you a question.   How do Polish people see Americans?  What words and phrases do they use to describe us?  

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9 hours ago, Aibao said:

Actually, I think the Earth is a ball. But if you would give me evidence and pictures of a flat Earth, maybe I would believe in a flat Earth? Additionally, if you told me that if I didn't believe in a flat Earth some mysterious leader of the flat Earth sect would chase and torture me, I would have considered the evidence for a flat Earth even more. Stupid, I know, but if you were scared by torture, wouldn't you try to believe it to save yourself from suffering and fear?

 

I see.

 

So, the main way you decide if something is true or not is by the threat it poses to you?

 

And because hell is the worst possible threat Christianity must be true?

 

But, seeing as the hell of Islam is just as fearful as the Christian one, doesn't that mean that Islam is true as well.

 

Which means that your way of finding out the truth (by degree of fear) has told you that two contradictory things must be equally true.

 

 

You see, Aibao?

 

Using fear to decide what is true doesn't bring you any closer to the truth.

 

It just confuses you and tortures you even more.

 

 

Do you really want to live like this?

 

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Who is the caretaker of Hell? Satan, right? Satan is also the enemy of God, right? I'm not sure why the enemy of God would be doing God's bidding...that would be like a supervisor/employee relationship. Not an adversarial relationship. God kicks Satan out of heaven but seriously expects labor from him? That's absolutely ridiculous. An idiot with terrible storytelling skills wrote the bible. That is for sure. 

 

Wouldnt Satan be more apt to give the occupants of Hell more of a resort/vacation treatment just to piss off Jesus? They could all take selfies with Satan while flipping Jesus the bird. :) What's God gonna do? Send em to Hell? They're already there. lol. 

 

Another question is why do Christians think that Jesus is going to appear when you die to pronounce judgment on you when he doesn't appear during your life at all? I think it's highly unlikely that Jesus exists because there is zero evidence of his appearances here in real life. Christianity is just people talking about Jesus...but Jesus never talking, ever. 

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