Wertbag Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 The challenge to answer 20 common theist questions in a single sentence. I'd love to hear your takes on this: Why is there something rather than nothing? Nothing is unimaginable and therefore incoherent. Where did the universe come from? Physics Where did life come from? Chemistry Why do you hate God? I don't hate something that isn't real Why do you deny the bible is God's word? It is clearly man-made Why do you deny bible prophecy? Vague sayings later revised to fit post-hoc Why do you not believe in God? A lack of evidence Why do you deny the resurrection? A lack of evidence Why would the disciples have been willing to die for a lie? They were genuinely convinced of a falsehood Why do you believe in subjective morality? We see morality change by time and place hence it's subjective If morality is subjective then how can you say anything is wrong? It is wrong subjectively compared to my and societies moral standards How do you explain miracles? Lies, hyperbole, natural events mis-reported or so vague they cannot be investigated How do you explain the rise/popularity of Christianity? Charismatic preachers and luck How do you explain near death experiences? A panicked brain freaking out How do you explain Christians feeling the presence of God? A taught response that the brain makes happen If design comes from a designer, how do you deny the design in nature? We can tell the difference between organic and inorganic with living things growing Isn't it better to believe just in case you are wrong? I can't force myself to believe in something I'm unconvinced of Are you saying you are smarter than the billions of Christians? If any single religion is correct most of the planet must be wrong Do you deny my personal experience of God/Jesus? Personal experience cannot be transmitted so is unable to be shared as evidence Do you deny God changes lives? Lives change for many reasons and all other religions can claim this for their followers too 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsred19 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Why would the disciples have been willing to die for a lie? this was one of the arguments given to me when I became a Christian that I now see as completely unconvincing. Radical Muslims blow themselves up every day for a lie. There are all sorts of cults people died for. It happens in Hinduism ( more extreme sects) as well. It is in no way peculiar to the disciples. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ Fuego ♦ Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Why is there something rather than nothing? I think the official science answer to this is still "Not sure, but we have speculations". But not knowing doesn't mean that any myth about gods riding turtles and pooping us into being is the Real Truth™. Where did the universe come from? Toledo. The word universe is itself religious, meaning one word or one phrase from a god causing it all to pop into being. Given our more recent understanding of how gravity affects time, it makes me wonder if the apparent cosmic age of the universe is itself a function of gravity/time and that from the view of an alternate universe our singularity exploding took a few seconds to reach where we are now, but to us on the inside it took 14 billion years. So from one perspective all of the endless eons here may be a blip. Although we are becoming more educated about how it may have arisen, some info is still unknown. As far as faith, remember that each national level belief in recorded history had a different creation story. Where did life come from? "Why is life" is a great question. We aren't sure why chemistry and physics made life here, though there is speculation that it is a stronger form of entropy, an eddy pool of the universe dissipating energy more rapidly than would a rock sitting on the moon. Being a partial pagan, I wonder about the perceptions I have of my being here as an Earth creature. I see the cycles of life often related to the apparent moonlight cycles, I ponder the tales of those that claim to recall past lives, and wonder if we purposefully come here to learn or as a form of VR entertainment and then go back to the collective, or if all of that is simply another form of religious fantasy and we are trying to keep living beyond death. Why do you hate God? A pointless question that presupposes your religion is fact. It isn't. Why do you deny the bible is God's word? When one is inside a cult, the cult beliefs and social circle seem like something special and "chosen". But even then there are reality checks, which is why "belief" is treated as a super important thing. Even in the mystery religions of old, having the right secret knowledge meant entry into an imagined paradise. Prior to that, many religions didn't even have an afterlife. Imagined gods were given treats so people could feel they have an edge on the awful odds of survival in pre-medical tribal life. Why do you deny bible prophecy? Why do you deny Mayan, Aztec, Egyptian, Norse, Celtic, Inuit prophecy? Why do you not believe in God? If you mean the Christian god, then I'd say that I once did, but after seeing too many excuses made for his capricious mysterious "will" despite many comforting promises, I started to see that I was in a mere cult devoid of any of the invisible beings I was told were real. Now that I have added a lot of actual history about the writings of the Bible and other writings of those eras, I see that I was part of a cultural cult that gained popularity in the people groups that created the Western World. The belief system changed from one of personal belief and focus on kindness to a means of control by those in power. Those in another part of the world have other cults they feel compelled to follow (Islam, Hindu branches, Zoroastrian, Baha'i, etc). Why do you deny the resurrection? There is literally no proof, just stories. What we know of those stories now is that they are clearly not eyewitness testimonies, and bear the differences that show how the stories were embellished over time, how political changes (antisemitic, pro-gentile) were woven into them, and how the person of Jesus went from apocalyptic preacher to God in a bod. It is akin to asking "Why do you deny the love of Spiderman? He protects you from crime every day." Most of us know he is a fictional character, and movies that present his powers are accomplished through special effects. Why would the disciples have been willing to die for a lie? As Wertbag said "They were genuinely convinced of a falsehood". Also, we have scant evidence for what actually happened to any of them outside of the writings of the cult, which again were not eyewitness accounts. Some are outright forgeries. Other religions today have fanatical adherents willing to kill and die for their beliefs. Why do you believe in subjective morality? Right and wrong are subjective judgments and are not ever seen enforced by a god. More than one religion thinks child marriage is fine, while we as a culture have seen the harm of it and have banned it. The writings of Judaism we have in the Bible justify repeated genocide and mass rape as blessed by its god. Yet we today condemn those as war crimes. We condemn treating females as property, but this is rampant in the tribal cultures of the Bible. If morality is subjective then how can you say anything is wrong? We humans have figured out over time what kinds of behaviors lead to a better civilization, and which are harmful. We create laws and modify them. Sometimes the modifications go backwards. We still are quite tribal in some aspects, but are learning and maturing as we go. Some of the tribal types still want to rule over everyone else (allegedly to please a god), and those must be resisted and perhaps violently resisted and purged. How do you explain miracles? You mean "claims of miracles". God doesn't heal amputees, ever. I spent 9 years promoting a preacher who claimed that god did just that and also raised the dead for him around 30 times. Eventually, I had video evidence of him making up long detailed stories on the fly. That was an emotional smack in the face that started me questioning why god didn't tell me about his lies. That then led to me wondering what other lies I had believed. That is a question I still ask myself because there are several layers to that "onion". How do you explain the rise/popularity of Christianity? Ignorance of how the Bible was written, ignorance of science, a simple lack of science (keep in mind even at the American Revolution we had no idea what electricity or radioactivity are or even that bacteria and viruses cause most sickness). The major rise of any religion is when it links up with those in political power. Prior to that it is a cult that promises a better way with secret knowledge and a social circle that reinforce the feeling of being special chosen by a god, or possessing a secret knowledge that is above other mortals. How do you explain near death experiences? The same as psychedelic experiences. The brain is an electro-chemical machine and variances in the chemistry and blood pressure (since blood carries chemistry to sensors) cause changes in perceived experience. Psilocybin mushrooms or LSD cause all manner of interesting experiences, connectedness to all life (which is a form of religious experience) is a common one. Stroke can have this effect on those that live to talk about it. I live daily with a condition called "anxiety" which may actually be inherited from parents who also were overwhelmed with life feeling like a constant threat. Through chemistry I am able to go to work and get life stuff done. But the condition is extremely inconvenient and keeps me from thriving. How do you explain Christians feeling the presence of God? The brain will fill in the gaps when it is programmed to think that something has a survival-level importance. Mine made repeated dreams of seeing the "Mountain of God" which were accompanied by the most beautiful feelings of joy, and me trying to communicate that to others in my dreams. Mine created visions of the rapture, with angels swooping down to carry me to heaven, or oddly on an escalator coming down to the tune of The Youngbloods song "Get Together". In one church service, my hands began to tremble in the classic holy-roller Shaker/Quaker way. The trembling spread through my body and I felt power coursing up and down through me like you'd see when you twang a stretched out Slinky toy. At the time I felt this was a clear confirmation that I was on the right path of faith. I wasn't, but it sure felt like it. If design comes from a designer, how do you deny the design in nature? That assumes that design comes from a designer. After more than a hundred years of observing nature, we've seen clear evidence of adaptation. We also see fossils of some of the creatures that didn't adapt (and some that are still the same as they were back then). Physics has a structure that comes from the underlying nature of reality, and combinations that form from energy in that structure create the patterns we humans see as "design". Isn't it better to believe just in case you are wrong? This presupposes an afterlife punishment for incorrect belief. That is obscene (morally reprehensible), and condemns the vast majority of humans to suffering. That belies a god of love. Instead he would be a psychopath like a kid choosing which ants will be burned by holding a magnifying glass between the sun and them. So no, belief in such a petulant jerk as a loving god is exactly the response of an abused child or spouse. Are you saying you are smarter than the billions of Christians? Smarter? More educated certainly than the vast majority of the people of history. We have available to us today far more knowledge about actual history versus claimed history, and how religions and cultures formed and passed than people before us had. Do you deny my personal experience of God/Jesus? Do you deny the personal experience of the Rajneesh cult members, the Moonies, the Hare Krishnas? Christians tend to call those experiences demonic, but again that is the interpretation of a cult itself claiming that yet more invisible creatures exist. Do you deny God changes lives? Yes. Beliefs cause people to modify their behaviors. Many believers have a deep terrifying fear of damnation, and that survival-level fear feels just as present as a real threat. Others find that even with such a felt threat they are unable to change some built-in basic drives. That then leads to sorrow and feelings of failure and dread, when all along there was no miraculous change of being born-again as a new creation that isn't subject to hunger and drive to mate. Even those that do claim such a change typically only do so in a church service while their private life is starkly different. Pastors and priests may see that more clearly than others in counseling sessions with parishioners. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Weezer ◊ Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 2 hours ago, Fuego said: The major rise of any religion is when it links up with those in political power. Prior to that it is a cult that promises a better way BINGO!! I don't thnk most people realize the Catholic church systematically, over several centuries, destroyed everything about religious belief they did not approve of. And killed off those who rejected their "truth". They were masters at deeply conditioning human minds and much of western society over a long period of time. After several centuries of having to bow down to these despots, and their all powerful God to stay alive, it became the absolute truth. I don't think this happen by luck, or chance. Somebody knew what they were doing. They knew how the human brain works, and pulled off what is probably the largest hoax the world has ever seen. Today there is security to be found in BELONGING (a key word) to the largest "in group" in the world. In their minds, it has to be true, because it has been around so long. They never stop to thnk that Hinduism and others religions are even older. They are near sighted people, after a secure feeling, and they want it NOW. Not the truth contained in the big picture of existance. Our moral evolution still has a ways to go. If you want to understand how this conditioning of the human mind works, see a new book, INHERITANCE: The evolutionary Origins of the Modern World, by Harvey Whitehouse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Weezer ◊ Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 14 hours ago, Wertbag said: The challenge to answer 20 common theist questions in a single sentence. Do you have a sentence to do that?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterpthefirst Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Why is there something rather than nothing? Why do you think the universe came from nothing? (See below) Where did the universe come from? Theories that once claimed the universe came from nothing have been refuted. Current theories about the universe do not claim that it came from anywhere. The bible itself is not evidence that it did, the Bible is your claim that it did. First demonstrate that it did, using evidence and not faith. Where did life come from? Define what you mean by life. Why do you hate God? Who are you to know my thoughts, mind reader? Why do you deny the bible is God's word? First demonstrate that it is by using evidence and not faith. Again, the Bible itself isn't the evidence, its the claim that it is. Why do you deny bible prophecy? First demonstrate that the bible has correctly prophesied anything, again using evidence and not faith. Again, the Bible itself isn't the evidence, its the claim of fulfilled prophecies. Why do you not believe in God? Which one? Yours? Which god is that? Why do you deny the resurrection? First demonstrate that it actually happened, again using evidence and not faith. Again, the Bible itself is not the evidence of the resurrection, it is the claim that it happened. Why would the disciples have been willing to die for a lie? First demonstrate that they would have been. Again, the Bible itself is not evidence of this, it is the claim that they would have been. Demonstrate that they would have been willing, using evidence and not faith. Why do you believe in subjective morality? Why do you believe in absolute morality? Again, the Bible itself is not evidence of an absolute morality, its the claim that such an absolute exists. First demonstrate that such an absolute exists, using evidence and not faith. If morality is subjective then how can you say anything is wrong? Morally wrong according to what standard? First demonstrate your standard using evidence and not faith. Again, the Bible is not evidence of a correct moral standard, it claims that its standard is correct. How do you explain miracles? First demonstrate, using evidence and not faith, that miracles actually happen. Again, the Bible itself is not evidence of miracles, it is the claim about them. How do you explain the rise/popularity of Christianity? How do you explain the rise/popularity of Islam? How do you explain near death experiences? Even if I can't, the onus is still upon you, the claim maker, to demonstrate that NDE's are evidence for god. First demonstrate that NDE's are evidence for your god. How do you explain Christians feeling the presence of God? How do you explain Muslims/Jews/Sikhs and others feeling the presence of their gods? If design comes from a designer, how do you deny the design in nature? Even if you can demonstrate design in nature, you cannot demonstrate that the identity of the designer is Jesus. The designer could be Yahweh, Allah or any other creator god. So its a level playing field and design in nature does not point specifically and only to Jesus. If you then mistakenly worship the wrong designer you burn forever in their hell. Isn't it better to believe just in case you are wrong? If so, which god is it best to believe in? Allah? Yahweh? The god of the Sikhs? If you get it wrong you burn forever in the hell of the right god. Are you saying you are smarter than the billions of Christians? Are you saying you are smarter than billions of Muslims or Hindus? Do you deny my personal experience of God/Jesus? I'm not a mind reader. So, just as you can't claim to know that I hate god I can't claim to know your personal experiences of God/Jesus. Do you deny God changes lives? Which god? Allah? Yahweh? The god of the Sikhs? Hindu gods? Do you deny that these gods change the lives of their followers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
older Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 A single sentence: Everything above is based on or the result of fear — fear of the unknown, fear of the dark, fear of death — which is a normal animal response, and when that fear is dismissed or overcome it all becomes irrelevant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Weezer ◊ Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Subjective morality It occured to me that the Bible is fully of subjective morality. The flood, the Exodus, etc in the Old Testament. Then Jesus coming along and saying to love your enemies, and neighbor as self. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ Fuego ♦ Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 8 hours ago, Weezer said: It occured to me that the Bible is fully of subjective morality. The flood, the Exodus, etc in the Old Testament. Then Jesus coming along and saying to love your enemies, and neighbor as self. The standard response is that God's ways are mysterious but always goooooood. Just trust! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crithin8 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Single sentence response: I tried and couldn’t come up with a good one. Probably “we can have dialogue or you can —- off.” Why is there something rather than nothing? Because without something the question could not be asked. Where did the universe come from? Dunno, wasn’t there. But there are some smart people working on the mathematical possibilities. Where did life come from? See the above answer. Why do you hate God? I don’t. Why do you deny the bible is God's word? I reject the question due to the word ‘deny’ because the question is not an authority over my life. Why am I not convinced the Bible is the word of God? Technical issues. Input vs output. Claims of God vs what the Bible LITERALLY is. Why do you deny bible prophecy? See the answer above concerning phrasing of the question. In my tin foil hat moments I ponder people’s possible ability to forecast future reality, not just in Christianity. But it gets filed in the mind with remote viewing and the like. Why do you not believe in God? I believe in many facets of God. Most of them serve people more than their claim of being the servants of God. Why do you deny the resurrection? There is that deny word again. There is an audience of pursumed authority that I do not accept as authoritative. Answering the question of what I believe about the resurrection. Very unlikely and I need independent and unbiased verification to reduce my skepticism. Why would the disciples have been willing to die for a lie? To them it wasn’t a lie. Or peer pressure. Or tenacity of mindful propose. Why do you believe in subjective morality? Because everyone does. And I’m included in that data set. If morality is subjective then how can you say anything is wrong? Consensus of people who do not like each other + historical results of trail and error. How do you explain miracles? Which ones? The smalls: possible but not probable; The bigs: The apostle Paul said, "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I thought as a child, I understood as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things" in 1 Corinthians 13:11. ie adult imaginations. How do you explain the rise/popularity of Christianity? Same way I would explain the popularity of pet rocks and fidget spinners combined with the inability to think for oneself and evolutionary group behavior. How do you explain near death experiences? Fascinates me. As also dreams do. I’m a skeptic though. How do you explain Christians feeling the presence of God? I wonder if brain imaging would be the same of a buddist monk meditating and a Christian experiencing the presence of God. If design comes from a designer, how do you deny the design in nature? For self replication I have a theory of individual cellular intelligence within a multicellular organism. Isn't it better to believe just in case you are wrong? Maybe. Hike your own hike and I’ll hike mine. Are you saying you are smarter than the billions of Christians? On certain issues more so liberated than smarter. Do you deny my personal experience of God/Jesus? Damn your denying. Am i strapped into a chair being interrogated? …if you believe it than great for you. Are you denying me freewill? Do you deny God changes lives? Depends on the authority using God and in which manner. Did you know sheep were once wild and survived without a shepherd. Then they were bred to be dumb and docile and fleeced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterpthefirst Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Once it is understood that most of these 20 questions are in fact claims there is no need to answer the questions. That is because the onus is always upon the claim-maker to provide evidence for the truth of their claim. If they cannot do that then they have no grounds for asking the questions. But most theists don't understand that the bible isn't the evidence that supports their claims. What they don't understand is that the bible is the source of their claims. And they cannot treat the source of a claim as the evidence that supports the claim. If they can do that then I can write. "I am god" and treat my claim to be god as evidence that I am god. Game over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ pantheory ☆ Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 On 9/28/2024 at 9:19 PM, Wertbag said: The challenge to answer 20 common theist questions in a single sentence. I'd love to hear your takes on this: Why is there something rather than nothing? Nothing is unimaginable and therefore incoherent. Where did the universe come from? Physics Where did life come from? Chemistry Why do you hate God? I don't hate something that isn't real Why do you deny the bible is God's word? It is clearly man-made Why do you deny bible prophecy? Vague sayings later revised to fit post-hoc Why do you not believe in God? A lack of evidence Why do you deny the resurrection? A lack of evidence Why would the disciples have been willing to die for a lie? They were genuinely convinced of a falsehood Why do you believe in subjective morality? We see morality change by time and place hence it's subjective If morality is subjective then how can you say anything is wrong? It is wrong subjectively compared to my and societies moral standards How do you explain miracles? Lies, hyperbole, natural events mis-reported or so vague they cannot be investigated How do you explain the rise/popularity of Christianity? Charismatic preachers and luck How do you explain near death experiences? A panicked brain freaking out How do you explain Christians feeling the presence of God? A taught response that the brain makes happen If design comes from a designer, how do you deny the design in nature? We can tell the difference between organic and inorganic with living things growing Are you saying you are smarter than the billions of Christians? I can't force myself to believe in something I'm unconvinced of Are you saying you are smarter than the billions of Christians? If any single religion is correct most of the planet must be wrong Do you deny my personal experience of God/Jesus? Personal experience cannot be transmitted so is unable to be shared as evidence Do you deny God changes lives? Lives change for many reasons and all other religions can claim this for their followers too OK, here are the "real and true" answers according to pantheory, that's me, But all the answers given above by others have equal merit Why is there something rather than nothing? Because nothing is not a possible state of reality. (contrary to some mainstream beliefs in physics) Where did the universe come from? It did not come from somewhere else, or from something else. It has always existed. Although this is the correct answer, it can be confusing since time itself had a beginning, so the word "always" here only means for all the time that time has existed. Where did life come from? The word for this creation event in science is abiogenisis. This means that the first life came from something that we would not presently call life, generally a certain type of chemistry and creative atmosphere. Most believe life started here on Earth. I believe it could have started from another solar system many billions of years before it appeared here on Earth. The reason for this belief is that even the simplest forms of life today are still very complicated. Why do you hate God? Because he is stupid all the God questions the same answer And by association, any question concerning God is also stupid Why do you believe in subjective morality? Subjective morality involves the law of the land, but one can make up any other kind of morality you like if there ain't no God. Are you saying that you are smarter than the billions of Christians? Apparently so At least in the understanding that Christianity as well as all other religions are pure BS. If morality is subjective then how can you say anything is wrong? The law of the land comes to mind, which must be followed else one might live life in Jail. If design comes from a designer, how do you deny the design in nature? It's called Natural Selection -- designed by nature and its environments meaning the survival and proliferation of the fittest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ moxieflux66 ☆ Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, pantheory said: Why do you hate God? Because he is stupid 1 hour ago, pantheory said: If morality is subjective then how can you say anything is wrong? The law of the land comes to mind, which must be followed else one might live life in Jail. Forget about Hell. Jail is REAL! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Weezer ◊ Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 8 hours ago, pantheory said: Why do you hate God? Because he is stupid How can something that doesn't exist, be stupid?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted October 1 Super Moderator Share Posted October 1 The one sentence I would use to refute/answer each of these questions is: "Cogito ergo sum." I know that my consciousness exists; everything else is just window dressing. Honestly, in my opinion most people, myself included, get too caught up wanting to argue over nonsense that may not even exist and certainly isn't going to make any difference one way or another. With that said, I'm off to the Den to bash christian apologists. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ moxieflux66 ☆ Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 2 hours ago, Weezer said: How can something that doesn't exist, be stupid?? My mama used to say, "Stupid is as stupid does". Hope that helps............ 2 hours ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: With that said, I'm off to the Den to bash christian apologists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ pantheory ☆ Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 4 hours ago, Weezer said: How can something that doesn't exist, be stupid?? OH, he's real alright. All the things he told me I must do with that very pretty 15 year old girl almost got me in jail, or worse. That's why I call him stupid. I had to defend myself by explaining that God told me to do it, and luckily the girl acknowledged by explaining that she heard him tell me also. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crithin8 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 20 hours ago, walterpthefirst said: Once it is understood that most of these 20 questions are in fact claims there is no need to answer the questions. That is because the onus is always upon the claim-maker to provide evidence for the truth of their claim. If they cannot do that then they have no grounds for asking the questions. But most theists don't understand that the bible isn't the evidence that supports their claims. What they don't understand is that the bible is the source of their claims. And they cannot treat the source of a claim as the evidence that supports the claim. If they can do that then I can write. "I am god" and treat my claim to be god as evidence that I am god. Game over. I would ‘like’ this but I still cannot hit the like button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ pantheory ☆ Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Crithin8 said: I would ‘like’ this but I still cannot hit the like button. Push the little heart at the bottom right hand corner of the posting that you like. It starts working about a week after you've posted here without rule breaking. If longer than that time ask a mod. They will help you. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ moxieflux66 ☆ Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/1/2024 at 11:11 AM, pantheory said: OH, he's real alright. All the things he told me I must do with that very pretty 15 year old girl almost got me in jail, or worse. That's why I call him stupid. I had to defend myself by explaining that God told me to do it, and luckily the girl acknowledged by explaining that she heard him tell me also. Who did you have to defend yourself to? Her parents or a cop? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ pantheory ☆ Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 28 minutes ago, moxieflux66 said: Who did you have to defend yourself to? Her parents or a cop? I explained it to her parents. It was in Utah. They said that God had also told them to do some things that they questioned at the time. But said that even though their daughter explained that God told me to do nice things with her, they said they believed their daughter was too young for me and that I should ask God for someone older. So I said OK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ moxieflux66 ☆ Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 5 minutes ago, pantheory said: I explained it to her parents. It was in Utah. They said that God had also told them to do some things that they questioned at the time. But said that even though their daughter explained that God told me to be nice to her, but they believed their daughter was still too young for me and they said that I should ask God for someone older. So I said OK. You know, that's a bullshit story George Carlin himself would be impressed with! Or maybe God! He might give you a pass from Hell for it too! I would! At least the story had a happy ending....for the parents! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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