Ok Lets Try To Be Nice

[Guest Thegoodbook]

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

Please one person at a time.

 

Thanks

[willybilly30]

can you prove your god exists? can you prove the bibles true? can you prove jesus existed? without using the bible that isn't good enough evidence. -

[Antlerman]

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

Please one person at a time.

 

Thanks

Probably 99% of the 1200 plus members here have a complaint about at least one of the above. What exactly would you like to discuss?

 

Let's take your last statement, that Christianity is not a religion. That comment is one reason why Christianity is so annoying. It blinds itself to reality and thinks itself to be superior to all other religious beliefs. As a matter of fact, even if you have a personal relationship as part of the aspect of your beliefs, it is still a religion by definition. Your comment is not a fact, it is a marketing slogan, nothing more.

[Kuroikaze]

Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

you do realize that by saying this, I will pretty much discount everything you have to say..... all this statement does is reveal your ethonocentrism. Its the same as saying "My beliefs are better than everyone elses"

 

 

Here is a thought... why don't you prove that christianity is, in fact, different than all the other religions out there. I challenge you to provide just ONE example of something christianity teaches that isn't found anywhere else....and then show me why said belief is true.

[white_raven23]

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

Christianity IS a religion.

 

I don't believe any organized religion has THE line to higher truth.

 

I'm not interested in your "relationships" either.

 

Your thread title is patronizing.

 

I'm not going to be nice.

 

I'm not going to be mean.

 

I'm just going to BE.

 

How you choose to perceive that is entirely up to you.

 

Have a nice day.

[Asimov]

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

Please one person at a time.

 

Thanks

 

Religion is founded on a relationship with a God or gods in some form. Master/Slave, Worshipper/Worshippee, Relationship of mutual respect, every type of religion that has Gods within it focuses on a relationship of some sort so your entire statement that it is not a religion is entirely moot.

 

Whether or not you want to deny the religious qualities of your relationship is really irrelevant anyways, since first and foremost, Christianity is a belief in a specific Theistic God. The unredeeming qualities of Christianity are not that it's a religion or a relationship, it's the assertion that a God exists and that YOU say it does without objective justification for saying so.

[Ouroboros]

Book, the regular sections allow anyone to post and is a free-for-all. It's hard to "demand" only one opponent at a time. If you want to discuss (debate) with one person at a time, then you need to request a discussion in the Arena. I guess this thread rather could be the invitation or "sign up sheet" for whoever would like to debate you.

[Open_Minded]

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

Please one person at a time.

 

Thanks

 

Well, TheGoodBook...

1. It takes a lot of balls to start a thread titled "Ok lets try to be Nice" and then challenge a board full of ex-Christians to tell you their "beef with Jesus, the bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything .... yada yada yada..."
   
2. For the record - you don't have to believe in religion to be a fool.
   
3. I'm a Christian, and I find your statement "Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship" insulting.
   

But, since you want to talk with "anyone" who has a "dispute with yada, yada, yada....", I'll take you up on your offer.

 

For the record, I don't have a dispute with the Bible - it's hard to have a dispute with an inanimate object. I don't have a dispute with Jesus, either .... And Christianity is a religion I find comfort in - so I don't have much of a dispute with it, either.

 

I do, however, have a huge dispute with literal minded people who try and force their beliefs, the way they read the Bible, their view of the Christian religion, and their understanding of Jesus on the rest of us. I have a huge dispute with people like this. And since (on the surface) you appear to be one of these people, I guess that would mean I have a dispute with you - and your willingness to come into a board full of ex-Christians and treat them like they need your help, because you have a "relationship" (whatever that is - a relationship with your personal view of Christ? - You somehow have the whole Alpha and Omega thing down pat, do you? The infinite I AM is within your grasp to the point where you know you have a "relationship" with it, but these people don't?)

 

Well lucky us, folks. We have a savior in our midst. Ya All be nice now, because he/she has a "relationship" and we don't.

[Antlerman]

Book, the regular sections allow anyone to post and is a free-for-all. It's hard to "demand" only one opponent at a time. If you want to discuss (debate) with one person at a time, then you need to request a discussion in the Arena. I guess this thread rather could be the invitation or "sign up sheet" for whoever would like to debate you.

He could just restate it as one topic at a time? Since we all seem to have honed in on his stating Christianity is not a religion, then I think that should be the single topic for discussion. Of course it'll be up to Mr. GoodBook to choose.

[Guest Thegoodbook]

can you prove your god exists? can you prove the bibles true? can you prove jesus existed? without using the bible that isn't good enough evidence. -

 

 

Alrigh. I'll take your questions one at a time.

 

Does God exist? I believe so. How did we get here? There had to be a creator. watches can't form from sand and glass with enough time. And people had to have a creator. Most people believe that there is a God. If you want more detail, please ask.

 

Is the Bible true? Yes. I can give you all kinds of evidence on that issue if you want. Do you question any other ancient work? The Bible has the most copies and the most recent compies ever made for any historical book.

 

Did Jesus exist? Yes. there is historical records that prove that Jesus actually lived. Was that your question or was it if he was God's son?

 

I'm leaving for a Bible study, but I'll go into this in more depth when I get back. Talk to you later. Maybe tonight. This could get interesting so stick around and we can have some debate later tonight or some other time.

[Antlerman]

I do, however, have a huge dispute with literal minded people who try and force their beliefs, the way they read the Bible, their view of the Christian religion, and their understanding of Jesus on the rest of us. I have a huge dispute with people like this. And since (on the surface) you appear to be one of these people, I guess that would mean I have a dispute with you - and your willingness to come into a board full of ex-Christians and treat them like they need your help, because you have a "relationship" (whatever that is - a relationship with your personal view of Christ? - You somehow have the whole Alpha and Omega thing down pat, do you? The infinite I AM is within your grasp to the point where you know you have a "relationship" with it, but these people don't?)

Have I told you lately OM that you totally rock!

[Ouroboros]

Good point. If the thread is to be kept to one topic at a time, but everyone can pitch in. Works too. I just don't see it working with two contesters only.

 

My take on "it's a relationship and not a religion" is ...

 

It's bullshit. It's just rewriting the definition of the words to make it sound better, to be more PC. That's all. And how can Christians at the same time claim Atheism being a religion, while their own faith is not? So according to TGB, Christianity (a belief system) is not a religion, while Atheism (lack of belief system) is a religion... If anything, that's calling black white, and white black.

 

Edit:

 

Sorry, I posted this while other posts got in between. The first topic at hand is "Proof that God exists."

[Asimov]

Does God exist? I believe so. How did we get here? There had to be a creator. watches can't form from sand and glass with enough time. And people had to have a creator. Most people believe that there is a God. If you want more detail, please ask.

 

Naked assertion and argument from personal incredulity.

 

Is the Bible true? Yes. I can give you all kinds of evidence on that issue if you want. Do you question any other ancient work? The Bible has the most copies and the most recent compies ever made for any historical book.

 

Naked assertion.

Did Jesus exist? Yes. there is historical records that prove that Jesus actually lived. Was that your question or was it if he was God's son?

 

Naked assertion.

[Poonis]

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

Please one person at a time.

 

Thanks

 

Thegoodbook,

here is my argument --

 

Regarding the Bible:

1. Which bible?

 

Regarding God:

1. Which god?

 

Regarding Christianity:

1. Which Christianity?

 

I only ask of you that, should you truly want to convince me, you answer my questions to my satisfaction, and not yours.

[white_raven23]

Aw.....man!

 

That response leave a LOT wanting goodbook. Save your preschool level answers for the little kids whose mushy little minds you want to warp at your own church.

 

You can't give those kind of answers here! Many of us are college-educated.......you want to make a claim that your version of god and christianity is it....you have to provide REAL proof. Evidence.

 

Cough it up!

 

Show us ther glowing handprint on the measuring cup God used when he was low on sugar and came over to your place to borrow some. After all, you claim it's a relationship

[Antlerman]

I just thought of a quick question that should be easy to answer and relates to the topic:

 

Why does faith need proof?

 

If faith doesn't need proof, then why do you try to prove the Bible is true? Can't you just believe it without needing to prove it to yourself, or to others? You are trying to prove the Bible, aren't you?

 

I'm interested in hearing your answer to this puzzle.

[♦ ficino ♦]

OpenMinded, I agree - you totally rock!

 

goodbook, I am surprised that you don't realize that the slogan, "Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship" is an example of what anthropologist Jules Henry called the philosophy of advertising. It's like saying a pre-owned Lexus is not a used car, or Dove is not soap. It's a statement that is really not intended to be taken for what it says; it's a species of persuasive, suggestive rhetoric. Only protestant fundamentalists in the USA could have come up with it.

 

Christianity is a religion by any understanding of that term. Christians of any denomination are united by shared beliefs about the divine, by shared rituals, by a hieratic class with specialized knowledge who mediate somehow between them and the deity. Don't say that protestant pastors do not do this; they just do so differently than catholic priests or orthodox rabbis. There is a communal structure that organizes the social lives of the participants. There is a gap between the "other" who are outside the religion and the initiated inside it. And so on. It's a religion, pal.

 

My and our beef with your religion is that the evidence trotted out for it collapses under scrutiny, its sacred text contains contradictions but is asserted to be inerrant, it stimulates much bad behavior ranging from the pretentious and insulting all the way to positive evil (start with Charlemagne's massacre of the Saxons and go on and on)...

 

come away from this cult into the fulness of human life, goodbook, I beg you. You get only one life.

[Open_Minded]

I do, however, have a huge dispute with literal minded people who try and force their beliefs, the way they read the Bible, their view of the Christian religion, and their understanding of Jesus on the rest of us. I have a huge dispute with people like this. And since (on the surface) you appear to be one of these people, I guess that would mean I have a dispute with you - and your willingness to come into a board full of ex-Christians and treat them like they need your help, because you have a "relationship" (whatever that is - a relationship with your personal view of Christ? - You somehow have the whole Alpha and Omega thing down pat, do you? The infinite I AM is within your grasp to the point where you know you have a "relationship" with it, but these people don't?)

Have I told you lately OM that you totally rock!

 

Well ... hey thanks ... Antlerman. you totally rock too.

 

But how about goodbook's answer....

 

yada... yada... yada.... I'm leaving for a Bible study, but I'll go into this in more depth when I get back. Talk to you later. Maybe tonight. This could get interesting so stick around and we can have some debate later tonight or some other time.

 

What is it with every fundy who comes in here, they challenge everyone on the board and then their answers are always, "honest I'm really busy, but I promise I'll answer when I get back"....?

 

Speaking of which ... honest I have to go take a walk in the fresh spring air... but honest TGB .... I'll come right back here and read your answer ... I await with baited breath ... because you have a RELATIONSHIP .... CYA

[Taphophilia]

Hi Book,

 

Just a couple of questions,

 

1. What denomination do you belong?

 

2. What version/translation of the Bible do you believe is the most inspired?

 

Thanks,

Taph

[Ouroboros]

Why does faith need proof?

Actually, that is the Bible's standpoint. To believe without evidence. To be like a child. To not discuss in endless debates. Faith in things that can not been seen. One is blessed if he believes without the evidence (inderectly he who believes with evidence is of a "lower" rate).

 

A good Christian should not discuss, use logic, rational reasoning or try to prove their faith.

[Antlerman]

Why does faith need proof?

Actually, that is the Bible's standpoint. To believe without evidence. To be like a child. To not discuss in endless debates. Faith in things that can not been seen. One is blessed if he believes without the evidence (inderectly he who believes with evidence is of a "lower" rate).

 

A good Christian should not discuss, use logic, rational reasoning or try to prove their faith.

This is what I understand from the Bible, and I don't disrespect that who choose to believe simply because it has meaning to them. What GoodBook is telling us is that we need to mix evidence with faith and muddle it up with all sorts of contorted "proofs" that you must divorce yourself from reason and reality in order to accept as credible. Why are they so weak in faith that they need to do this??

[Asimov]

Thegoodbook, I would be interested in engaging in a one on one, semi-formal debate regarding which is more tenable, christianity or atheism.

 

If you wish, if you don't, that's fine.

[white_raven23]

Actually, that is the Bible's standpoint. To believe without evidence. To be like a child. To not discuss in endless debates. Faith in things that can not been seen. One is blessed if he believes without the evidence (inderectly he who believes with evidence is of a "lower" rate).

 

A good Christian should not discuss, use logic, rational reasoning or try to prove their faith.

 

Great! That means goodbook is done bugging US then right?

[Ouroboros]

Antlerman, I can see (yet again) that we're on the same side!

 

When i was Christian, I intentionally avoided debates and discussions just for the reason that the Bible said so. Ever since I joined this web site, and discovered how many Christians work so hard to rationalize their faith, I was appalled they claim true faith, while breaking the rules of faith (faith is belief in things not seen). So in my eyes, every Christian that come to this site to debate, already prove themselves to be non-true to the "word", are less honest or self-aware than the ones that only take it by faith. I understand though when someone come here with honest questions, but I can't understand those who come here to prove their point. Because it's so un-Biblical.

 

Now, it could be that this understanding I have is only because of my background and the different denominations I was in. And many Christians have different interpretations of the words. Or maybe they just don't care the Bible warns them...

[RedPillAddict]

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

I'd like to take to anyone that has any beef with Jesus, the Bible, or any other reasonable dispute with anything having to do with the Bible, God, or Christianity. And for the record I don't believe in religion. Christianity is not a religion; it's a relationship.

 

Please one person at a time.

 

Thanks

 

1. I dont have a beef with Christians. I have a beef with Christianity. I used to be a Christian and I know that with a little help, one can lose the crutch.

2. I have a beef with the bible because all the authors did was take the most prominent stories from every other religion before Christianity and blend them together into one great super savior(see avatar). Also, the bible is full of hatred, lies, and brainwashing.

3. I dont have a beef with Jesus, because that would be like having a beef with Osiris. Its hard to dislike somebody that you dont believe in. Do you have a beef with Santa Clause?

 

The whole "relationship" thing is getting very old. How can you have a "relationship" with somebody that you have never seen, felt, or heard. You base your "relationship" off of what some men wrote down thousands of years ago. In that case, I have a relationship with Frodo Baggins(a much more modern messiah). He is the one true savior, and will one day retun to middle earth to cast away all of our sins.