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Posted 24 January 2010 - 01:39 PM

This is my first post, and I wasn't sure where to put this. Sorry if it's in the wrong area.

I've been rolling this around in my head for some time. I'm sure it's already been discussed, but oh well.

Why are Christians so afraid to die? Why do they pray to God that he will heal their diseases if he has an ultimate plan for everyone? If they are to go to a Paradise as soon as they leave this world.

I understand some Christians say it's because they want to do more on this world, but that just doesn't cut it for me.

1. The fear, the sadness, it doesn't justify.
2. What about Christians who, besides accepting Jesus into their hearts etc etc fulfilling those requirements -- are total jerks?

Could it be that even they recognize that God doesn't actually exist? That they doubt his existence themselves?
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 01:51 PM

I'd guess most the reason is that biology still wins. Not being afraid of death is contrary to survival mechanisms. Its the ones that are truly unafraid of death that are worrisome because they have nothing to lose. Its such an unnatural state that only the most utterly brainwashed will be able to overcome sadness over the death of another or fear of their own death. That's what I think anyway.

Plus their convictions are usually emotional which means they don't follow the logic of their beliefs to what would be the rational conclusion. They still rely on their emotional impulses even when they are contradictory. Take abortion for example. They believe aborted fetuses go right to heaven and yet will fight against its practice with every fiber of their being.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 01:52 PM

This is my first post, and I wasn't sure where to put this. Sorry if it's in the wrong area.

I've been rolling this around in my head for some time. I'm sure it's already been discussed, but oh well.

Why are Christians so afraid to die? Why do they pray to God that he will heal their diseases if he has an ultimate plan for everyone? If they are to go to a Paradise as soon as they leave this world.

I understand some Christians say it's because they want to do more on this world, but that just doesn't cut it for me.

1. The fear, the sadness, it doesn't justify.
2. What about Christians who, besides accepting Jesus into their hearts etc etc fulfilling those requirements -- are total jerks?

Could it be that even they recognize that God doesn't actually exist? That they doubt his existence themselves?



I'm not a priest or anything of that stature but I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.A big problem is that so many ppl call themselves christians without living like one.If they are doing that than they aren't true christians.True christians believe in Christ,follow him and give their lives to god.I would consider myself a decent Christian but without God I am nothing.I know God has forgiven me for my sins.And I don't fear death but in a sense that isn't suicidal I can't wait to die because the world I live in is a terrible and sinful place.I await the return of Jesus with patience and excitement.Cuz i know I don't have to be here anymore and I have been saved.The only reason I could see a person who claims to be christian being afraid of death is because they are weak in their faith,they arent sure if they have been forgiven,they haven't repented.This is probably the biggest reason here,since no one knows when God is coming,thought they do believe in Christ they know their lives are sinful and they are worried that they won't have time to make their lives something that God would be pleased of.Even though we don't deserve God's mercy He loves and wants to be with us.Christians know Jesus will return and they probably fear that they won't be ready.Hope that helped
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 02:04 PM

I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.


You assholes can be so damned self righteous it makes me want to puke. On behalf of my dear departed xian grandfather and dear xian uncle, both I'm sure much more sincere and kind than you can ever be, go fuck yourself dick.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 02:05 PM


This is my first post, and I wasn't sure where to put this. Sorry if it's in the wrong area.

I've been rolling this around in my head for some time. I'm sure it's already been discussed, but oh well.

Why are Christians so afraid to die? Why do they pray to God that he will heal their diseases if he has an ultimate plan for everyone? If they are to go to a Paradise as soon as they leave this world.

I understand some Christians say it's because they want to do more on this world, but that just doesn't cut it for me.

1. The fear, the sadness, it doesn't justify.
2. What about Christians who, besides accepting Jesus into their hearts etc etc fulfilling those requirements -- are total jerks?

Could it be that even they recognize that God doesn't actually exist? That they doubt his existence themselves?



I'm not a priest or anything of that stature but I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.A big problem is that so many ppl call themselves christians without living like one.If they are doing that than they aren't true christians.True christians believe in Christ,follow him and give their lives to god.I would consider myself a decent Christian but without God I am nothing.I know God has forgiven me for my sins.And I don't fear death but in a sense that isn't suicidal I can't wait to die because the world I live in is a terrible and sinful place.I await the return of Jesus with patience and excitement.Cuz i know I don't have to be here anymore and I have been saved.The only reason I could see a person who claims to be christian being afraid of death is because they are weak in their faith,they arent sure if they have been forgiven,they haven't repented.This is probably the biggest reason here,since no one knows when God is coming,thought they do believe in Christ they know their lives are sinful and they are worried that they won't have time to make their lives something that God would be pleased of.Even though we don't deserve God's mercy He loves and wants to be with us.Christians know Jesus will return and they probably fear that they won't be ready.Hope that helped


So your argument comes down to: True Christians wouldn't be afraid. And that the ones who are simply don't feel prepared?

I'm guessing this means 95% of Christians aren't true Christians? I've yet to see a Christian funeral where they were having a bonfire and eating cake. I've witnessed the fear in my Christians families eyes when there is an illness or injury.

Do you consider Mother Teresa a 'True' Christian under your definition? Please take note that the Catholic church is currently undertaking steps to make her a Saint.

During her death...

during which "she felt no presence of God whatsoever", "neither in her heart or in the eucharist" as put by her postulator Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk.


I'm not arguing about the merit or truth of Christianity here, simply trying to get what you mean by the idea that 'True' Christians aren't afraid. Can you honestly tell me you will feel no sadness, no fear when you die -- and likewise for your loved ones?

Thank you for replying though, the perspective of a Christian will certainly help me get to the bottom of this question.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 02:35 PM



This is my first post, and I wasn't sure where to put this. Sorry if it's in the wrong area.

I've been rolling this around in my head for some time. I'm sure it's already been discussed, but oh well.

Why are Christians so afraid to die? Why do they pray to God that he will heal their diseases if he has an ultimate plan for everyone? If they are to go to a Paradise as soon as they leave this world.

I understand some Christians say it's because they want to do more on this world, but that just doesn't cut it for me.

1. The fear, the sadness, it doesn't justify.
2. What about Christians who, besides accepting Jesus into their hearts etc etc fulfilling those requirements -- are total jerks?

Could it be that even they recognize that God doesn't actually exist? That they doubt his existence themselves?



I'm not a priest or anything of that stature but I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.A big problem is that so many ppl call themselves christians without living like one.If they are doing that than they aren't true christians.True christians believe in Christ,follow him and give their lives to god.I would consider myself a decent Christian but without God I am nothing.I know God has forgiven me for my sins.And I don't fear death but in a sense that isn't suicidal I can't wait to die because the world I live in is a terrible and sinful place.I await the return of Jesus with patience and excitement.Cuz i know I don't have to be here anymore and I have been saved.The only reason I could see a person who claims to be christian being afraid of death is because they are weak in their faith,they arent sure if they have been forgiven,they haven't repented.This is probably the biggest reason here,since no one knows when God is coming,thought they do believe in Christ they know their lives are sinful and they are worried that they won't have time to make their lives something that God would be pleased of.Even though we don't deserve God's mercy He loves and wants to be with us.Christians know Jesus will return and they probably fear that they won't be ready.Hope that helped


So your argument comes down to: True Christians wouldn't be afraid. And that the ones who are simply don't feel prepared?

I'm guessing this means 95% of Christians aren't true Christians? I've yet to see a Christian funeral where they were having a bonfire and eating cake. I've witnessed the fear in my Christians families eyes when there is an illness or injury.

Do you consider Mother Teresa a 'True' Christian under your definition? Please take note that the Catholic church is currently undertaking steps to make her a Saint.

During her death...

during which "she felt no presence of God whatsoever", "neither in her heart or in the eucharist" as put by her postulator Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk.


I'm not arguing about the merit or truth of Christianity here, simply trying to get what you mean by the idea that 'True' Christians aren't afraid. Can you honestly tell me you will feel no sadness, no fear when you die -- and likewise for your loved ones?

Thank you for replying though, the perspective of a Christian will certainly help me get to the bottom of this question.




Im just suggesting things.This is not a definite answer,they are merely possibilities to be considered.I was by no means insulting anyone and I do apologize for any anger or grief I caused by saying what i said.I am young and I can be ignorant at times so I am sorry for that.Please take into account that I am simply trying to make some suggestions.I personally am not afraid to die.By no right can I call myself a good christian because that is Gods judgement not mine.I was not trying to be self righteous,that is why I wrote that I know I am nothing without God.You will probably never see a funeral with a bonfire and cake .Whether i fear death or not the reality is that if I die people will mourn because they loved me.If I am afraid or not I am still gone from this earth and the people still alive have to bear that.I fear for some of my relatives because they have not accepted Christ therefore they could possibly go to hell.It is probably not so much the fear of physically dying that christians fear but probably more so where they will go when they die.Like I said I am suggesting things this is just the answer of one Christian of many.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 02:45 PM

I'm not a priest or anything of that stature but I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.


That what I think too. There aren't any True ChristiansTM. But There is a solution for YOU, the Only True ChristianTM!

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 02:57 PM

I must admit, when I was a Christian I didn't really have any fear of death. Now at times I do fear it. Not a fear of hell of course because I know that death is the end, but I do fear the end.

Sorry if that detracts from your argument, I'm just saying....

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 03:10 PM


I'm not a priest or anything of that stature but I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.


That what I think too. There aren't any True ChristiansTM. But There is a solution for YOU, the Only True ChristianTM!

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I never said I was the one and only true christian.You are right though there are no true christians cuz that depends on the perspective of the person using the word or reading it.But there are people who have given their lives to God. :)
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 03:26 PM

I never said I was the one and only true christian.You are right though there are no true christians cuz that depends on the perspective of the person using the word or reading it.But there are people who have given their lives to God. :)

No you didn't say that. I deduced that because if the criterion is willingness to die, then you are probably alone.

Now, there are also people who have given their lives to Allah. Usually they bring unwilling guests. Clearly, the truth of the belief doesn't relate to willingness to die, right?

And, as you pointed out, logically if the goal is heaven, and life lasts nothing compared with eternity, then life is worth nothing. This, then, would lead to a lot of necessary conclusions.

For those who think the Old Testament children killed were sent to heaven, and that children get a free pass to heaven (Matt. 19:14), and knowing that 10% will become atheists and a lot more will commit unpardonable sins (and be prevented from entering Heaven (Matt. 5:10)), then it would be better if these children, and indeed all children, were to die.

Maybe you think their killers would not get into heaven, and that would prevent them, but you would be underestimating the love of a parent for a child. Such parents would be willing to sacrifice their own immortal souls and suffer for all eternity to ensure their children an eternity in heaven.

Wouldn't they? Would you?

I say there is no god, and this life is precious because it is the only existence we will ever have. I would do anything, including sacrificing my own mortal existence, to allow my children to live as long as nature allows.

Which way is the best way to live? As an atheist, or a Christian?

(Yeah, I know, false dichotomy, but still based on the differences between Christian theology and atheism.)
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 03:36 PM



I never said I was the one and only true christian.You are right though there are no true christians cuz that depends on the perspective of the person using the word or reading it.But there are people who have given their lives to God. :)

No you didn't say that. I deduced that because if the criterion is willingness to die, then you are probably alone.

Now, there are also people who have given their lives to Allah. Usually they bring unwilling guests. Clearly, the truth of the belief doesn't relate to willingness to die, right?

And, as you pointed out, logically if the goal is heaven, and life lasts nothing compared with eternity, then life is worth nothing. This, then, would lead to a lot of necessary conclusions.

For those who think the Old Testament children killed were sent to heaven, and that children get a free pass to heaven (Matt. 19:14), and knowing that 10% will become atheists and a lot more will commit unpardonable sins (and be prevented from entering Heaven (Matt. 5:10)), then it would be better if these children, and indeed all children, were to die.

Maybe you think their killers would not get into heaven, and that would prevent them, but you would be underestimating the love of a parent for a child. Such parents would be willing to sacrifice their own immortal souls and suffer for all eternity to ensure their children an eternity in heaven.

Wouldn't they? Would you?

I say there is no god, and this life is precious because it is the only existence we will ever have. I would do anything, including sacrificing my own mortal existence, to allow my children to live as long as nature allows.

Which way is the best way to live? As an atheist, or a Christian?

(Yeah, I know, false dichotomy, but still based on the differences between Christian theology and atheism.)



1)I am simply answering the question about Christians fear of death
2)I'm not sure what you are getting at now actually,You are gonna have to be more direct.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 04:24 PM


I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.


You assholes can be so damned self righteous it makes me want to puke. On behalf of my dear departed xian grandfather and dear xian uncle, both I'm sure much more sincere and kind than you can ever be, go fuck yourself dick.

This bears repeating, and I'd like to add my father to the list of dear departed Christians.

Honestly, I couldn't stand to be around the man because he was such a True Christian. Relentless evangelist and perennial apologist. A true 24-7 totally immersed believer who donated damn near all his time and money to the cause. He had 15 years in foreign missions. Never read a book or saw a film that wasn't about Christian shit. Yet, when suffering a very painful terminal illness, he still didn't want to go "home" to the Lord. He believed in Heaven as I believe in gravity, but he still didn't want to go.

Anyway, he meant well, and certainly was as true a Christian as I have ever known.



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Posted 24 January 2010 - 06:09 PM

Even when I was a Christian, I was more afraid of how I might die than the actual dying process--it still rings true for me today. I fear less of a 16 ton weight dropping on my head than I do of dying of cancer.

Some boil all religions down to the fear of death.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:29 PM



I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.


You assholes can be so damned self righteous it makes me want to puke. On behalf of my dear departed xian grandfather and dear xian uncle, both I'm sure much more sincere and kind than you can ever be, go fuck yourself dick.

This bears repeating, and I'd like to add my father to the list of dear departed Christians.

Honestly, I couldn't stand to be around the man because he was such a True Christian. Relentless evangelist and perennial apologist. A true 24-7 totally immersed believer who donated damn near all his time and money to the cause. He had 15 years in foreign missions. Never read a book or saw a film that wasn't about Christian shit. Yet, when suffering a very painful terminal illness, he still didn't want to go "home" to the Lord. He believed in Heaven as I believe in gravity, but he still didn't want to go.

Anyway, he meant well, and certainly was as true a Christian as I have ever known.


You are trying to justify and protect your father while you put to shame his life and everything that he lived for with your words.This may hurt to read and I am sorry for that.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 07:41 PM

Jake, I'm not trying to speak on behalf of Florduh, but it doesn't seem like he was trying to justify or protect his dad. It seems that he was trying to make the point that his father was the closest thing to a True Christian (that you described) and yet he was still afraid to die and go 'home' to the glorious paradise he had talked about all his life. (Correct me if I'm wrong florduh but that's how I perceived you anecdote)

As to the OP, I've wondered this before too. I don't understand why Christians aren't involved in more reckless self-endangerment! I think that with the view that eternal life is so much better than our present life, more Christians would be running to figure out a way to die sooner so they can get started on their eternal life. But as I've been told (and what I used to believe), there is no hope without the hope of an afterlife. So it boggles me why they don't go ahead and get there. I think they have an unnerving feeling that what they believe is nothing more than a fairy tale. (Although some would disagree and say it's because their job here on earth isn't done. But if you're dying your job is done)
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:27 PM

Jake, I'm not trying to speak on behalf of Florduh, but it doesn't seem like he was trying to justify or protect his dad. It seems that he was trying to make the point that his father was the closest thing to a True Christian (that you described) and yet he was still afraid to die and go 'home' to the glorious paradise he had talked about all his life. (Correct me if I'm wrong florduh but that's how I perceived you anecdote)

As to the OP, I've wondered this before too. I don't understand why Christians aren't involved in more reckless self-endangerment! I think that with the view that eternal life is so much better than our present life, more Christians would be running to figure out a way to die sooner so they can get started on their eternal life. But as I've been told (and what I used to believe), there is no hope without the hope of an afterlife. So it boggles me why they don't go ahead and get there. I think they have an unnerving feeling that what they believe is nothing more than a fairy tale. (Although some would disagree and say it's because their job here on earth isn't done. But if you're dying your job is done)


The writers knew that Christians would commit suicide in droves once they thought they were going to heaven after death, so they threw in the suicide plug.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:35 PM

Yeah, Ophelia that's what I figured. But if they are recklessly endangering themselves and something 'accidentally' happens then it's not necessarily suicide. Shyone's picture says it all. Unless you come from the angle that they thought of ways to get killed and therefore were guilty of suicide in their head. :shrug:
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:10 PM




I wouldn't see any TRUE christian being afraid to die.


You assholes can be so damned self righteous it makes me want to puke. On behalf of my dear departed xian grandfather and dear xian uncle, both I'm sure much more sincere and kind than you can ever be, go fuck yourself dick.

This bears repeating, and I'd like to add my father to the list of dear departed Christians.

Honestly, I couldn't stand to be around the man because he was such a True Christian. Relentless evangelist and perennial apologist. A true 24-7 totally immersed believer who donated damn near all his time and money to the cause. He had 15 years in foreign missions. Never read a book or saw a film that wasn't about Christian shit. Yet, when suffering a very painful terminal illness, he still didn't want to go "home" to the Lord. He believed in Heaven as I believe in gravity, but he still didn't want to go.

Anyway, he meant well, and certainly was as true a Christian as I have ever known.


You are trying to justify and protect your father while you put to shame his life and everything that he lived for with your words.This may hurt to read and I am sorry for that.

Nothing to apologize for. You just can't read plain English.



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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:33 PM

I wanted to mention this: once I deconverted fully, I was able to fully deal with the death of a really good friend of mine. For months, in my weird leaving christian period, I was so depressed and could not imagine that he had just died. My hope was still in the fact that there was an afterlife. However, my fear was that I was wrong. When I came to realize that it was all a lie it made it easier to know that he was just gone. I was able to reminisce on the good memories and not worry about whether or not he made it to heaven or hell. I feel so much better now about death then I did as a christian.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 10:20 PM

(blah) TRUE christian (yadda)


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