One of the benefits of logic is the ability to test whether a particular proposition is true or not. It often follows the progession: A=B, B=C, C does not equal D; therefore, the proposition that A=D is not likely to be true. With this in mind, let's look at a particular proposition and follow the progression to its logical conclusion.
If logic is the absolute standard for reasoning , then everyone should either agree with the conclusion, or, if disagreeing, be able to point out a flaw in the logic. Let's begin:
PROPOSITION: god is both all-loving and all-powerful.
OBSERVATION: Evil exists
A. If god is both able and willing to prevent evil, then evil would not exist.
B. If god is neither able nor willing to prevent evil, then god is neither all-loving nor all-powerful.
1. If god is able to prevent evil, but not willing to, then god is not all-loving.
2. If god is willing to prevent evil, but not able to, then god is not all-powerful.
CONCLUSION: The proposition that god is both all-loving and all-powerful is not true.
DISCUSSION: It is possible that god is all-loving but not all-powerful. It is possible that god is all-powerful but not all-loving. It is possible that god is neither all-loving nor all-powerful, which raises the question: why worship god?
But it is not possible for god to be both all-loving and all-powerful.
My ex christian beliefs are as follows in 10 simple points, each of which has been the focus of one debate / discussion or another around here:
1 ) I believe that all religions are man made social constructs geared towards politicizing ancient mythology and folklore.
2 ) I believe that no one really knows with certainty the answer to the question of origins or destination.
3 ) I believe that the bible is demonstrably false from the outset as a guide to the truth of the universe or the human condition.
4 ) I believe that anything basing itself on the assumption that the bible is true is automatically false, as the bible is demonstrably false.
5 ) I believe that morality is an evolved concept which continues to evolve and has never been static or handed down from on high.
6 ) I believe that the morality of the biblical writings is long since outdated and mostly irrelevant to modern society.
7 ) I believe that modern scholarship has revealed the truth about the biblical writings and the evolving theistic concepts contained therein.
8 ) I believe that it's both intellectually honest and well intended to expose what truths can be demonstrated about the bible and christianity, through counter apologetics.
9 ) I believe that as painful as it may be at times, it's ultimately for the greater good that christianity and similar religions are losing membership and declining into the future under the weight of their own growing lack of relevance.
10 ) I believe that humanity doesn't need the fluff and circus show of religion in order for people to do what's right, be decent, and get along.
What do you believe????
Is there sufficient evidence to conclude that complex life evolved on its own? Is an alternative explanation offered by LDS belief reasonable?Is there sufficient evidence to believe complex life could have evolved on its own from non-life without some intelligent creative force? Is it at all plausible that some intelligent being, perhaps from another universe, could have been the creator of the complex life on our planet (and any other planet in this universe that may have complex life) using evolution as a tool?
"No bibles, no preaching, no god-bothering!" These were the conditions B put upon his two brothers, who had recently converted to Pentecostal Christianity, if he were to visit them while on holidays. What happened next would change the course of his life and still continues to impact who he is today.
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alreadyGone posted a post in a topic,I owe pittsburghjoe, along with every member participating in this discussion
for helping free me from my former Christian belief.
I'm forced to admit to myself and anyone reading here that as a Christian I had never truly considered the extent to which all Christian belief rests upon the silly-assed irrational concept of "original sin".
There was no one in the Garden with an iPhone recording video, people.
There was no one there with a quill and scroll of parchment writing it all down.
There were no eye-witnesses at all.
It's a MYTH. A silly, ancient myth.
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