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The bulk of science does not support belief in a deity, or does it? This is an open discussion area to hone your skills at supporting and understanding the various positions. Feel free to post any links of value in this important topic.
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I don't see my intellect as superior to God's message, or any most messages. That's kind of not the point. However, it appears to me that many X-ians believe their intellect concerning the meaning of scripture or spirituality is superior to others. Perhaps that is a misunderstanding... but it seems you misunderstand us as well... so... it's unconvincing? *shrug*
God uses the what the world sees as foolishness to shame the wise. The Bible and its word saves you. It may look foolish but it is God's tool to speak to humans. The world does not have spiritual intelligence. They see it as foolishness. To their detriment.
That is the approach my brother and his wife took when their boy and his girlfriend slid on ice (4-wheeler) on a curve and over a cliff that had no barrier. They turned it into "God wants to use this to witness to the girl's mother". Years of mental programming faces a harsh reality check that could help them see through the programming, but the fear of that reality pushes the believer to make a nonsensical "answer" about God being faithful and good instead of absent or non-existent. My brother said "I don't know how I would have made it through this without Jesus". He did make it through it without Jesus, but his emotions find solace in thinking someone is in control of this chaos. I kept my yap shut and let them find some comfort.
There is no evidence that the Bible is true, but there is a lot of evidence that say's it isn't literally true or historically accurate. That being the case, why would it matter what it says? There is also enough evidence to say that JESUS was likely just a literary figure not a real person. That being the case Jesus would be incapable of saving anyone from anything.
And if the Bible isn't true then the creation story isn't true either, and that would mean there is nothing to be saved from. If there isn't anything to be saved from, then there is nothing to be afraid of because he'll isn't real either.
When some Christian organisation spends over a million USD on sports facilities to boost their egos... and you can't believe you once believed in that "ministry". And of course, they're asking you to contribute.... and to pray over it... roll eyes