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Thinking a little more about the either/or choice you offered me, Duderonomy...     Do you have faith that the earth revolves around the sun, or do you believe it does?      I think you've committed a logical fallacy.   https://www.logical-fallacy.com/articles/false-dilemma/     Thank you,   Walter.

Let's be as accurate as we can here Duderonomy, so that neither of us is left in any doubt.    What I actually said (and what is meant) is that when it comes to our secular confidence you and I are alike.  Therefore, in that context (and that context alone) if you claimed that you don't have that same secular confidence THAT is what I couldn't accept from you on faith.  I'd need evidence from you that you and I are not alike on this one issue.   Please don't take what I wrote as a catchall statement that I don't accept anything that you say on faith.   I might accept some things from you on faith, but that would be on a case by case basis.     I have secular confidence in the scientific evidence that the Earth revolves around the Sun.   Provided that this is taken into account I'm happy to say that I believe it does.   But my use of the word this belief here carries no religious, supernatural or theological connotations.   Nor would I use the word faith here, for the same reason.   Thank you,   Walter.  

Me too. From now on I'll spell it "Phat Buddha".

Walter,   You say you don't accept what I say on faith.  Interesting.    But enough of this. Let's get back to the OP.   Do you have faith that the earth revolves around the sun, or do you believe it does? 

Weezer, you're correct. I meant to say "fuckin" assumption.   No one is perfect son, save the Lord himself. I should have told you this when you were younger.   I'm sorry I let you down.    

Cool enough. As a research scientists I can explain a great many things to you about the pros and cons of today's science.  Aprendi espanol en la escuela, y hablo y escribo bien, pero tal vez menos que perfecto.   Yes, there is a lack of unified theory in science, which is good IMO so that alternative ideas can surface to challenge mainstream theory, which in modern physics I believe there are many problems.   Yes, BAA traded in religion for science, which I generally applaud, but BAA thought that the purpose here was to help those who were injured by religion in the past to escape without looking back. He didn't like my suggesting problems with mainstream science theory since he thought that would hurt his purpose of helping those trying to leave religion via science.   His special interest was cosmology so he asked me to give a balanced perspective of alternatives in my postings which I agreed to do.   Walter is similar to BAA is such ways but maybe even more confrontational. But BAA and I, now Walter and I are coming to terms with less conflict. As I recall you have gone to the Questions Forum before and asked about dark matter one time. They no longer allow much argument in the science vs. religion forum so I think the best place to go would be to the Questions forum, or the Rants and Replies forum  I will start a thread for us in the Questions Forum based upon your last posting.   I put your questions above in the Questions Forum. Check it out. See if this is good for you? I like this better than the Colosseum for questions because one can express different opinions as long as religious arguments are not part of it. As for myself, I'm not so fond of arguments since I was once a teacher of college students.   cheers again Edgarcito  

I'm remembering the silence in Revelation 8...

No, I don't have any problem with you...you even recognized the Spanish version of little Edgar.  How can I discount a guy like that lol.  Walter on the other hand seems to have a need to deflect rather than just be straightforward.  Everyone can believe as they wish....I'm too old now to give a shit.  I guess it's just a matter of time for people to feel comfortable in their beliefs.  The Prof has his moments, but Walter is still wavering in insecurity.  And Wheezer, I actually have compassion for people in his shoes, but just don't care for whatever vibe he's putting out.  Not sure I can put my finger on it.   I looked a small bit at the UP and have a cursory takeaway....heavy on cursory.  Please excuse my ignorance, but I had an idea that at the quantum level, perhaps there is less interference than at a macro level....maybe "classical" has too much, again, interference, to match the quantum level.  Just shit that runs through my brain....maybe totally out in left field.  My brain also wants to associate 100% certainty with lack of choice and uncertainty with choice/ free will.  Maybe I just need to start a thread in the coliseum to keep WALTER'S BULLSHIT out of the discussion.  He's so very close to a reincarnation of Mark (BAA), it's scary.  I think you and BAA had your differences if I'm remembering correctly.     No, I'm not scared of intellect, I just wish I had more and had the time and inclination to delve into things like the lack of a unified theory.  My dad was a pretty sharp guy, and was a university professor, but had a knack for using his intellect as a weapon rather than a gift.  I'm not as sharp as he was, but throw spears nonetheless.  I'm sure it's an acceptance issue in that he did not hand out much acceptance other than intellectual...   You might ask him the same type of direct question.....why he's such a prick.