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The bulk of science does not support belief in a deity, or does it? This is an open discussion area to hone your skills at supporting and understanding the various positions. Feel free to post any links of value in this important topic.
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Trump: Every country should look after themselves and not get involved with other countries, nor should they impose their culture on others. *Takes a breath* We will invade anyone we don't like and impose capitalist democratic ideals. Yup... about sums up his way of thinking.
A lot of what religion comes up with is not logical and doesnt make sense to an educated, sane petson. To me it boils down to control through fear. And to keep the fear going, and control the masses, you have to convince them they are too stupid to even LEARN how to guide themselves. They need "God" (who the powerful leaders created) and his (self appointed) enlightened represenatives to guide them. The whole thing is an elaborate scheme, and to keep it going the "clergy" down through the ages have denied education to the masses. Even today liberal education is discouraged by many groups. My own brother, who is an extreme example, blames my undergraduate education from a christian college for my going astray.
I put fertilizer on my grass. The next day it was still brown. Obviously fertilizer is bullshit. Everything should conform to my unreasonable (or uneducated) expectation of it.
Of course after a month the grass was lush and green. No thanks to that goddamn fertilizer, though. It was just like , you know ... random chance that my grass got greener.
I'll distill this a little bit:
Assertion: I will only accept the efficacy of something if it will achieve the impossible for me. Right? This allows me to disregard it entirely when it fails to do. (black and white logic)
Science doesn't regrow fingers therefore science is worthless. <-- black and white logic.
My lawn mower cannot chop down a tree therefore: worthless.
When someone can pick up a semi-truck with a pair of tweezers, I'll believe in the power of tweezers but until then....
Well, what exactly is the Force.....you know, watching in the theater back in '77......when Luke threw off the aiming device...
What is the Force that Rocky used to "win".
The Force that The Natural used to hit that last home run for his son.
We share it when we watch.... what is it.
Not sure if I said welcome earlier or not, but this makes me smile! I'm thrilled that you're so at peace, that's exactly how I feel too. It's amazing how I used to thank Jesus for breaking me free of my chains and now.....after forsaking christianity, I actually, truly feel the way I used to say I felt. It only gets better, seriously, I'm like a couple years out maybe and it's just amazing. I've also found that I am MUCH MORE awe-inspired by Earth and our universe after dropping the "everything was made special for me" narcissistic bullshit. When you feel how ultimately insignificant you are to the planet/universe, you are that much more impressed you're even there at all.
I don't think the movie would have been as good if Vader would have went back to his room, drew some squiggles on a piece of paper, then every day after said a spell about choking Motti then, one day months even years later, Motti chokes on a peanut while on a transport shuttle. Imagine the power of that force.