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    • Here's an interesting episode that breaks down popular fallacies that many theists who are knowledgeable about the arguments prefer to steer clear of: 
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    • Fundamentalist Christians tend to say either you are a Christian or you are not a Christian.  That may be true for the irrational tribal identity of their churches, but it does not make sense in terms of philosophy and theology. If you read the Bible as deliberate metaphor, as symbolic allegory, not as literal history, then it is possible to retain the ethical value of the texts while accepting none of the surface claims.  The value of the Bible is enhanced by assuming the original authors did not intend that any of their supernatural poetry should be read as literal fact.
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    • One of the benefits of logic is the ability to test whether a particular proposition is true or not.  It often follows the progession: A=B, B=C, C does not equal D; therefore, the proposition that A=D is not likely to be true.  With this in mind, let's look at a particular proposition and follow the progression to its logical conclusion.  
      If logic is the absolute standard for reasoning , then everyone should either agree with the conclusion, or, if disagreeing, be able to point out a flaw in the logic.  Let's begin:
      PROPOSITION: god is both all-loving and all-powerful. 
      OBSERVATION: Evil exists
      A. If god is both able and willing to prevent evil, then evil would not exist.
      B. If god is neither able nor willing to prevent evil, then god is neither all-loving nor all-powerful. 
      1. If god is able to prevent evil, but not willing to, then god is not all-loving. 
      2. If god is willing to prevent evil, but not able to, then god is not all-powerful.
      CONCLUSION: The proposition that god is both all-loving and all-powerful is not true.
      DISCUSSION: It is possible that god is all-loving but not all-powerful.  It is possible that god is all-powerful but not all-loving.  It is possible that god is neither all-loving nor all-powerful, which raises the question: why worship god?
      But it is not possible for god to be both all-loving and all-powerful. 
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    • My ex christian beliefs are as follows in 10 simple points, each of which has been the focus of one debate / discussion or another around here: 
      1 ) I believe that all religions are man made social constructs geared towards politicizing ancient mythology and folklore. 
      2 ) I believe that no one really knows with certainty the answer to the question of origins or destination. 
      3 ) I believe that the bible is demonstrably false from the outset as a guide to the truth of the universe or the human condition. 
      4 ) I believe that anything basing itself on the assumption that the bible is true is automatically false, as the bible is demonstrably false. 
      5 ) I believe that morality is an evolved concept which continues to evolve and has never been static or handed down from on high. 
      6 ) I believe that the morality of the biblical writings is long since outdated and mostly irrelevant to modern society. 
      7 ) I believe that modern scholarship has revealed the truth about the biblical writings and the evolving theistic concepts contained therein. 
      8 ) I believe that it's both intellectually honest and well intended to expose what truths can be demonstrated about the bible and christianity, through counter apologetics. 
      9 ) I believe that as painful as it may be at times, it's ultimately for the greater good that christianity and similar religions are losing membership and declining into the future under the weight of their own growing lack of relevance. 
      10 ) I believe that humanity doesn't need the fluff and circus show of religion in order for people to do what's right, be decent, and get along. 
      What do you believe???? 
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    • Is there sufficient evidence to believe complex life could have evolved on its own from non-life without some intelligent creative force?  Is it at all plausible that some intelligent being, perhaps from another universe, could have been the creator of the complex life on our planet (and any other planet in this universe that may have complex life) using evolution as a tool? 
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      Aik, the man’s desire to make restitution is good and noble, but such behavior is not confined to christians or even theists.  Humans are social creatures, and wanting to right wrongs  - including wrongs we have done to others - is a common trait.  We are fearfully and wonderfully evolved.     When I was a christian I had a strong sense of personal honesty.  If I received too much change when paying for stuff in a shop, I would always point it out.  I have that same commitment to honesty now as an atheist, even though I don’t believe any god is watching.  It’s part of my particular personality, god or no god.  There are honest and dishonest christians, just as there are honest and dishonest muslims and atheists.  
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      😄 ok. Thank you. And thank to an author of the post. 
    • aik
      Yes sure. You are right. I mean it. That not a man told him but the Bible. So in Romans chapter 7 we read that when a commandment came I died. Why? Because a commandment showd the sin. If there was no law, there was not sin. It does not mean that there was not sin ever, but it says that there was not accountability for a sin, such as by law. But everyone was judged upon his own conciense. But when the law came it showd what the sin was, to bring men to their sentence. 
    • DarkBishop
      de·lu·sion·al /dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/ adjective characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
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      I know this question was for Weezer but I'd like to say that nothing is wrong with this action. Its good that the shop owner didn't want to hold him accountable. But your wrong that no one told him he needed to return it. I had similar feelings about some things I had stolen in my past. But those things were long gone when I repented.    The bible told him. In the ten commandments. "Thou shalt not steal". He knew he had stolen something and still had it. He felt guilty because he hadnt returned it. If he was truly a believer of course he would want to return it.    Let me ask you this. This is hypothetical. If the bible said that drinking carbonated beverages was wrong. Would you feel guilty drinking a carbonated beverage? I know the bible doesn't say that. But if it did. Would you follow what the Bible said?   DB
    • aik
      What is delusional?
    • aik
      1. I will not force in this issue. 2. I agree. I had feeling of communion with pain of some stories there. One of them moved my heart to stay here more. About pastor's abuse. But to feel empathy does not mean to agree. Different things.  3. Which one? That truth has found me? But it is my story.  4. If it is true I am ready to correct my approach. Maybe here it does not look like colonizing. But you feel so. Ok. I will think about it. Very often I have to react on double standards usage.  5. Accepted.    What is your story?
    • aik
      I will tell you a story. Recent times. Not so much ago.    My uncle is a preacher. He entered the church in 1992 or about. There was a period that he was a leader of new comers. I don't know a correct word in english. Excuse me. These were newly repented believers. Once he saw that one of them had something that disturbed him. Looking at his face my uncle understood that not everything was ok. He asked privately if he had some issue. So that young man said that there was an issue but he had no courage to say it. Then he told his story to my uncle. As follows, this guy long ago before he repented when he was not a believer he stole a picture from a shop. And now he regrets about what he had done and wishes to give that back. You in America call it restitution. But in this case nobody told him or forced him, none knew about this case if this guy had not told it. So he said that he wishes to give it back to the shop, but he was afraid. My uncle offered him to go with him if he did not mind. So he agreed. They went to the shop, found a shop holder, and my uncle told the whole story. Then the guy asked for forgiveness to the holder. The holder blessed him and occasionally he opened himself also to be a believer christian.    I tried to be short. So I am asking now. Is it a religion or it was faith? Nobody was telling this guy to restitute, and nobody knew about it. Who turned his heart upside down? Who influenced his mind? And what is wrong with this action?
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