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    • Here's an interesting episode that breaks down popular fallacies that many theists who are knowledgeable about the arguments prefer to steer clear of: 
       
       
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    • Fundamentalist Christians tend to say either you are a Christian or you are not a Christian.  That may be true for the irrational tribal identity of their churches, but it does not make sense in terms of philosophy and theology. If you read the Bible as deliberate metaphor, as symbolic allegory, not as literal history, then it is possible to retain the ethical value of the texts while accepting none of the surface claims.  The value of the Bible is enhanced by assuming the original authors did not intend that any of their supernatural poetry should be read as literal fact.
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    • One of the benefits of logic is the ability to test whether a particular proposition is true or not.  It often follows the progession: A=B, B=C, C does not equal D; therefore, the proposition that A=D is not likely to be true.  With this in mind, let's look at a particular proposition and follow the progression to its logical conclusion.  
       
      If logic is the absolute standard for reasoning , then everyone should either agree with the conclusion, or, if disagreeing, be able to point out a flaw in the logic.  Let's begin:
       
       
       
      PROPOSITION: god is both all-loving and all-powerful. 
       
      OBSERVATION: Evil exists
       
      GIVEN:
      A. If god is both able and willing to prevent evil, then evil would not exist.
      B. If god is neither able nor willing to prevent evil, then god is neither all-loving nor all-powerful. 
       
      PROGRESSION:
      1. If god is able to prevent evil, but not willing to, then god is not all-loving. 
      2. If god is willing to prevent evil, but not able to, then god is not all-powerful.
       
      CONCLUSION: The proposition that god is both all-loving and all-powerful is not true.
       
      DISCUSSION: It is possible that god is all-loving but not all-powerful.  It is possible that god is all-powerful but not all-loving.  It is possible that god is neither all-loving nor all-powerful, which raises the question: why worship god?
       
      But it is not possible for god to be both all-loving and all-powerful. 
       
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    • My ex christian beliefs are as follows in 10 simple points, each of which has been the focus of one debate / discussion or another around here: 
       
      1 ) I believe that all religions are man made social constructs geared towards politicizing ancient mythology and folklore. 
      2 ) I believe that no one really knows with certainty the answer to the question of origins or destination. 
      3 ) I believe that the bible is demonstrably false from the outset as a guide to the truth of the universe or the human condition. 
      4 ) I believe that anything basing itself on the assumption that the bible is true is automatically false, as the bible is demonstrably false. 
      5 ) I believe that morality is an evolved concept which continues to evolve and has never been static or handed down from on high. 
      6 ) I believe that the morality of the biblical writings is long since outdated and mostly irrelevant to modern society. 
      7 ) I believe that modern scholarship has revealed the truth about the biblical writings and the evolving theistic concepts contained therein. 
      8 ) I believe that it's both intellectually honest and well intended to expose what truths can be demonstrated about the bible and christianity, through counter apologetics. 
      9 ) I believe that as painful as it may be at times, it's ultimately for the greater good that christianity and similar religions are losing membership and declining into the future under the weight of their own growing lack of relevance. 
      10 ) I believe that humanity doesn't need the fluff and circus show of religion in order for people to do what's right, be decent, and get along. 
       
       
      What do you believe???? 
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    • Is there sufficient evidence to believe complex life could have evolved on its own from non-life without some intelligent creative force?  Is it at all plausible that some intelligent being, perhaps from another universe, could have been the creator of the complex life on our planet (and any other planet in this universe that may have complex life) using evolution as a tool? 
       
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    • I bumped this topic to see if Johnny is interested -- and to see if a religious person can participate in this category without preaching and without being attacked because of his or her anti-science theory sentiments.
    • According to the Bible Jesus did have free will. When he was on the cross being crucified, according to the BS bible Jesus asked the question, Father, why hast thou forsaken me? -- or something like that translated from the Bible. And if Jesus never existed, as I believe, then neither did Judas.
    • Not long to wait now.   https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/nasa-teases-extraordinary-images-captured-by-its-webb-telescope/   NASA said it plans to release several images beginning at 10:30 am ET (14:30 UTC) on July 12, the result of Webb's "first light" observations. On Wednesday, space agency officials said the images and other data would include the deepest-field image of the universe ever taken—looking further into the cosmos than humans ever have before—as well as the spectrum of an atmosphere around an exoplanet.    Thank you.   Walter.
    • I strongly suspect you have not studied the science which calls into question many Biblical claims and refutes many others.  Here, you demand that someone else must do that work for you.  Being lazy, disingenuous and smarmy is a poor recipe for intellectual, psychological and emotional health. Study hard. 
    • I don't know how "all of this" originally began.  And you, nor any of us can "prove" how it began.  But we have an idea of how it has evolved through time.  See my signature at the bottom of this post.  That's what I believe after 40 years of being a christian, and over 10 years of studying the history of all religions.  The christian god was a late comer in history, and christianity is mostly a conglomeration of older religions.  I invite you to do like I did and pray that god will help you discern truth, and do the study of the history of gods and religions.  
    • And I am waiting on an answer to this question.  With "proof" of how it happened.
    • Johnny,   You asked the RedneckProfessor to... 'SHOW how we actually got all this then with science to back it up.'  But I have already explained to you that science does not tell us that the universe came about on its own.   The only person in this forum making the claim that the universe began to exist is you.  And thus far your only source of information for that claim has been the bible.   You asked the Prof to back up his words with science, but before that I asked you to present your evidence that the universe began to exist.  I did that 8 hours ago and despite my gentle reminder and polite invitation, you still haven't got back to me.   So, would you please be so kind as to present your scientific evidence for the universe's creation event, either here or in that other thread?   Thank you,   Walter.
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