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Why Quantum Theory Is So Misunderstood

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:23 PM

Great article by Brian Cox, I thought...

This statement received some criticism in scientific circles. Not because it’s wrong, because it isn’t; without this behavior, we wouldn’t be able to explain the bonds that hold molecules together. The problem is that it sounds like woo woo, and quantum theory attracts woo-woo merde-merchants like the pronouncements of New Age mystics attract flies – metaphorically speaking


http://blogs.wsj.com...-misunderstood/
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:29 PM

Great article. My favorite line:

Quantum theory, in other words, describes a counterintuitive world, but not a mystical one.


I have friends who can't quite grok the principles, therefore goddidit makes more sense.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:52 PM

"Quantum spirituality" bothers me and it seems to me to cut both ways. It is a misinterpretation of QT and a misunderstanding of the teaching being equated. In some cases, it is just made up to sound like a person knows what they are talking about.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:56 PM

I gave you a +1 on that one Rev.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:55 PM

Great article by Brian Cox, I thought...



This statement received some criticism in scientific circles. Not because it’s wrong, because it isn’t; without this behavior, we wouldn’t be able to explain the bonds that hold molecules together. The problem is that it sounds like woo woo, and quantum theory attracts woo-woo merde-merchants like the pronouncements of New Age mystics attract flies – metaphorically speaking


http://blogs.wsj.com...-misunderstood/


" and our future depends on the widespread acceptance of science as THE ONLY WAY WE HAVE to meet many, if not all, of the great challenges we face. "

compare that to

“I am the way, the truth, and the life and no one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6

Similiar theme.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:03 AM

science is such an inadequate tool to describe why
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:24 AM

science is such an inadequate tool to describe why


Apparently we have another humanities buff here, who has to express contempt for science in order to bolster his own decision to pursue the humanitites.

Kinda sad.

The roots of science extend as far back as Aristotle who was all about asking... "why?"

Oh, and I enjoy the humanities too.





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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:35 AM

Science thrives off asking "why". That's what I love about it. You seek and answer and you find it, without having to rely on a big nonexplanation for what happened. Religion/spirituality don't really answer "why", people just like to think that they do.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:21 PM

The roots of science extend as far back as Aristotle who was all about asking... "why?"


Nope. How? and Why? are different questions. Don't get em confused now.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:01 PM

Copenhagen
Hidden Variables
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Those are your horses.
Place your bets.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:35 PM

I was watching a Youtube video with Michio Kaku, whom I highly respect, where he asserts that quantum theory proves free will. The thing about it is, he's forgotten more about quantum theory than I'll ever know, but he fails completely to explain how uncertainty at the quantum level means that we can choose any more freely than if that weren't the case.

It's rather disheartening that they go so off the rails with one thing, in order to believe another. Especially considering that in another video, when asked about quantum entanglement and ESP, he explains that the level of entanglement could never build up sufficiently to cause ESP, were it possible, and therefore couldn't explain it.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:01 AM

I was watching a Youtube video with Michio Kaku, whom I highly respect, where he asserts that quantum theory proves free will. The thing about it is, he's forgotten more about quantum theory than I'll ever know, but he fails completely to explain how uncertainty at the quantum level means that we can choose any more freely than if that weren't the case.

Agree. If quantum events are unpredictable, then a decision made from an unpredictable condition is nothing but a random choice. It's truly free, but is it a "will" in that case? "Free" and "will" are opposites in my opinion.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:20 AM

I am skeptical of the little I know of quantum theory. The little I know about says to me, that these people are masturbating and don't have a clue what there talking about. Can't say I have a better explanation then them, but the supposed consensus leaves me a little worried. They can't even get down the basic origins of the universe, so am I going to trust them about quantum theory. Not in the near future.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:07 PM

I am skeptical of the little I know of quantum theory. The little I know about says to me, that these people are masturbating and don't have a clue what there talking about. Can't say I have a better explanation then them, but the supposed consensus leaves me a little worried. They can't even get down the basic origins of the universe, so am I going to trust them about quantum theory. Not in the near future.


Actually, it's one of the most tested and verified theories out there. Do you use a USB drive? Those wouldn't exist if it weren't for Quantum Tunneling. Pretty sure those don't work because a physicist masturbated onto your flash drive.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:41 PM

I was watching a Youtube video with Michio Kaku, whom I highly respect, where he asserts that quantum theory proves free will. The thing about it is, he's forgotten more about quantum theory than I'll ever know, but he fails completely to explain how uncertainty at the quantum level means that we can choose any more freely than if that weren't the case.

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Michio Kaku is a loon.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:47 PM


The roots of science extend as far back as Aristotle who was all about asking... "why?"


Nope. How? and Why? are different questions. Don't get em confused now.


Noggy, when we ask "why?" and we focus on efficient and formal causes, then how and why are identical.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:58 PM



The roots of science extend as far back as Aristotle who was all about asking... "why?"


Nope. How? and Why? are different questions. Don't get em confused now.


Noggy, when we ask "why?" and we focus on efficient and formal causes, then how and why are identical.


Science by definition can never give you those efficient and formal causes, though. They can only give you "How?", and then it can only give you "How?" to a point. By definition any scientific approach to anything will be incomplete.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:01 PM




The roots of science extend as far back as Aristotle who was all about asking... "why?"


Nope. How? and Why? are different questions. Don't get em confused now.


Noggy, when we ask "why?" and we focus on efficient and formal causes, then how and why are identical.


Science by definition can never give you those efficient and formal causes, though. They can only give you "How?", and then it can only give you "How?" to a point. By definition any scientific approach to anything will be incomplete.


Noggy I here direct your attention to this thread... http://www.ex-christ...ral-entailment/

We can there dicuss this if you wish.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:04 PM

Michio Kaku is a loon.



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He's good at explaining certain things, in an easy to understand way. But, in my opinion, he has an over-active imagination.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:59 PM

Michio Kaku rocks!
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