Guest Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I have been reading a lot about near death experiences. There are the blissful experiences of going into light and love and meeting God or angels or loved ones. But there are also hellish ones with life reviews and judgement and terror and torture. Stories of hellish NDE's are one of the reasons I can't break free from fear of hell and from bible texts about judgement. People who have been through an NDE often become spiritual/religious. Are NDE stories a proof of heaven and hell? Or are they hallucinations caused by a dying brain? Any proof for the latter? Any comforting and rationalizing thoughts on this subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted June 23, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted June 23, 2016 You might want to look at previous threads on this. Here's the bottom line. Near death is not death. Nobody gets revived once they actually die. Still, many insist on the non-locality of consciousness despite what neuroscience shows us. People who claim NDE usually share the initial euphoria, light, tunnel effect that the dying (not dead) brain generates. After that any recollection of what transpired while "dead" tends to match the individual's expectation. Those immersed in a Christian culture can see or feel God or Jesus, or perhaps experience Hell as they understand it from indoctrination. The NDE phenomenon has been seriously studied by doctors and scientists for several decades now, and there is still no evidence for it as a supernatural experience, and still people want to believe so badly the question seems to remain unanswered, outside of the scientific community of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I have been reading a lot about near death experiences. There are the blissful experiences of going into light and love and meeting God or angels or loved ones. But there are also hellish ones with life reviews and judgement and terror and torture. Stories of hellish NDE's are one of the reasons I can't break free from fear of hell and from bible texts about judgement. People who have been through an NDE often become spiritual/religious. Are NDE stories a proof of heaven and hell? Or are they hallucinations caused by a dying brain? Any proof for the latter? Any comforting and rationalizing thoughts on this subject? What they are is your culturally conditioned response to your brain's state at the time. If you were Hindu, or atheist, you'd see something else. No, it's not evidence of heaven. We can recreate these experiences in a lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pratt Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 i had a 10% of pulling it through during my heart attack according to my doctors,,,,, does it consider as near death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 This topic has come up before. Someone posted a link to an incredible number of NDE accounts from all over the world. Globally, and generally, the experiences are stream lined based on the culture and its beliefs and on what an individual believes. Read more of what's out there. There are varieties of NDE's, not limited to the bi-polar perspective of heaven and hell. One authority on the subject is http://iands.org/home.html, a decent site colorful with ads. Here's another that could expand your thinking on NDE's: http://www.near-death.com/ This might be the one someone posted before, scroll down, there's a link "4000 stories": http://www.nderf.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamia Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I was going to post a specific ted talk on this but I couldn't find it for the life of me but anyway, look up ted talks on this they are mostly really good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted June 27, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2016 Bear in mind there are plenty of TED talks and other YouTube videos that will confirm someone's belief in NDE, psychics, reincarnation, astrology, Armageddon, veganism,, carnivorous diets, baking soda cancer cures, perpetual motion, flat earth, Jesus, Bigfoot, Lizard Shape Shifters, and the Loch Ness Monster. Just to name a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamia Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Bear in mind there are plenty of TED talks and other YouTube videos that will confirm someone's belief in NDE, psychics, reincarnation, astrology, Armageddon, veganism,, carnivorous diets, baking soda cancer cures, perpetual motion, flat earth, Jesus, Bigfoot, Lizard Shape Shifters, and the Loch Ness Monster. Just to name a few haah well I guess I am talking out of my ass then. I assumed they were mostly good because of the ones my sister has showed me and the few I have watched. well I will try harder to find that specific one then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted June 27, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2016 Bear in mind there are plenty of TED talks and other YouTube videos that will confirm someone's belief in NDE, psychics, reincarnation, astrology, Armageddon, veganism,, carnivorous diets, baking soda cancer cures, perpetual motion, flat earth, Jesus, Bigfoot, Lizard Shape Shifters, and the Loch Ness Monster. Just to name a few haah well I guess I am talking out of my ass then. I assumed they were mostly good because of the ones my sister has showed me and the few I have watched. well I will try harder to find that specific one then No, I didn't mean to imply you were talking out your ass. I'm just pointing out that confirmation for absolutely anything can be found and anecdotes coupled with wishful thinking and fuzzy science do not equate to evidence. I call it Deepak Syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamia Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Bear in mind there are plenty of TED talks and other YouTube videos that will confirm someone's belief in NDE, psychics, reincarnation, astrology, Armageddon, veganism,, carnivorous diets, baking soda cancer cures, perpetual motion, flat earth, Jesus, Bigfoot, Lizard Shape Shifters, and the Loch Ness Monster. Just to name a few haah well I guess I am talking out of my ass then. I assumed they were mostly good because of the ones my sister has showed me and the few I have watched. well I will try harder to find that specific one then No, I didn't mean to imply you were talking out your ass. I'm just pointing out that confirmation for absolutely anything can be found and anecdotes coupled with wishful thinking and fuzzy science do not equate to evidence. I call it Deepak Syndrome. I didn't mean like in a bad way, or sarcastically I mean I kind of hurriedly posted a suggestion that ended up being kind of silly, cuz I couldn't find what I wanted to post. The ted talk I had seen dealt with end of life experiences, and this was coming from someone who worked with dying people that decided to document what the actual experience of dying entailed mentally for people of all backgrounds, religious and non, etc. I even am pretty sure I remember the name of it correctly but I can't for the life of me find it anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted June 27, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2016 Was it this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamia Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Was it this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMYhgTgE6MU Nope :/ kind of similar subject though. I thought it was odd that I couldn't find it. The guy didn't have and acent and i'm pretty sure that it was named something like end of life experiences, idk if "death " was actually in the title, I don't think it was.Interesting watch though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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