SkepticOfBible Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Is Protestant Christianity Credible? The topic will examine atleast all of the following 1)The Continues Flux of the Canon And Why The Protestant Bible Should Be Considered the Absolute Correct One. 2)Why Other Gospels Can Not Be Considered As Historically Reliable? 3)Manuscript Transmission and The Reliability 4)The Internal Historical Condradiction Of The Various Gospels In The NT 5)Corroboration Of Secular Sources As Evidence 6)The Application of Proposed Reliability And Historical Tests On Other Religious And Historical Books 7)The history of the Church 8)Why protestant sect of christianity should be considered the True Christians as compared to others such as Eastern Orthodox, Mormons, JW, Catholics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sub_zer0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Folks, Before you read the answer to pritishd's excellent set of questions by this brain scarred survivor an alien anal probing, figure that he is one tiny step from pissing the mean_old_man off enough to earn a goodly time out. Cat seems to have a direct-disconnect and thus a disability to answer plainly placed and set questions. Then when he does the below appears. If an un-believer pulled lateral style shit like this on any sectarian board, he'd be on his ass as fast as the nazirators could push the buttons.. kL ******************************************* Is Protestant Christianity Credible? The topic will examine atleast all of the following 1)The Continues Flux of the Canon And Why The Protestant Bible Should Be Considered the Absolute Correct One. 2)Why Other Gospels Can Not Be Considered As Historically Reliable? 3)Manuscript Transmission and The Reliability 4)The Internal Historical Condradiction Of The Various Gospels In The NT 5)Corroboration Of Secular Sources As Evidence 6)The Application of Proposed Reliability And Historical Tests On Other Religious And Historical Books 7)The history of the Church 8)Why protestant sect of christianity should be considered the True Christians as compared to others such as Eastern Orthodox, Mormons, JW, Catholics Here is what makes a Christian and the last post I will make in this topic. Read closely. 1.) Believe in your heart through faith that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose the third day, thus conquering death and giving us the gift of eternal life if we believe in Him. 2.) The Bible - the Word of God - the canonization process was created through four main links. Inspiration, Canonization, Transmission and Translation. The canon has been closed for about 1600 years. 3.) Accept and believe in the Trinity. The Godhead = God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. 4.) If you want more detailed description, click HERE. The Nicene Creed came about through one of the first Councils regarding and subsequently affirming the Christian belief. That Council as well as Council of Hippo (A. D. 393) were first to start the recognition of Chrisitan belief thus setting the goal for a canon of Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japedo Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Here is what makes a Christian and the last post I will make in this topic. Read closely. 1.) Believe in your heart through faith that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose the third day, thus conquering death and giving us the gift of eternal life if we believe in Him. 2.) The Bible - the Word of God - the canonization process was created through four main links. Inspiration, Canonization, Transmission and Translation. The canon has been closed for about 1600 years. 3.) Accept and believe in the Trinity. The Godhead = God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. 4.) If you want more detailed description, click HERE. The Nicene Creed came about through one of the first Councils regarding and subsequently affirming the Christian belief. That Council as well as Council of Hippo (A. D. 393) were first to start the recognition of Chrisitan belief thus setting the goal for a canon of Scripture. Why did you even post on this topic to start with? You haven't answerd ANY of the questions orginaly asked. Please answers the questions and stop giving us your dogma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycorth Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Why did you even post on this topic to start with? You haven't answerd ANY of the questions orginaly asked. Please answers the questions and stop giving us your dogma. Typical response; he feels compelled to say something yet can't address the points pritish brought up, so he lapses into the standard Xian routine: spout dogma and leave. As gwenmead said, "shit-and-run." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkepticOfBible Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 1.) Believe in your heart through faith that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose the third day, thus conquering death and giving us the gift of eternal life if we believe in Him. All christians say that including JW, liberals,Mormons, Catholics, Syrian Coptic, Eastern Orthodox, Universalist. So I suppose they are all true christians 2.) The Bible - the Word of God - the canonization process was created through four main links. Inspiration, Canonization, Transmission and Translation. The canon has been closed for about 1600 years. No it was not. The canon is still disputed till this date. And I have demonstrated that a numerous times. You never answered Why did the TRUTH require the democratic opinion of Men?Where was god in these meetings? You are once relying on the opinion of men(NOT GOD) about the canon. Do you think there was no political agenda behind these meetings?Are these men infallible? There were also a competiting list out there. How do you know they were not are the false one? And plus what happened to the christians who lived before the 4th Centuary BC, who were not following the bible?Are they saved? And if the canon was closed in 4th centuary BC, then what right did the protestant had to remove the books from the canon? So you saying that the catholic canon is the correct one? 3.) Accept and believe in the Trinity. The Godhead = God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. The word trinity does not exist in the bible, nor is there any proof of God being a trinity in the OT. Even christian find it hard to prove the doctrine trinity with the NT. So once again you have your church tradition telling you what god is made up of "The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century." -- The Illustrated Bible Dictionary So it took God 400 years after he came on earth to decide what he was made up of? 4.) If you want more detailed description, click HERE. The Nicene Creed came about through one of the first Councils regarding and subsequently affirming the Christian belief. That Council as well as Council of Hippo (A. D. 393) were first to start the recognition of Chrisitan belief thus setting the goal for a canon of Scripture. You keep pointing me towards the opinion of men. Not god. Was god recorded in these meetings? Once again you assume that these men were infallible and free from political agenda We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. So does that mean that I shall join the catholic church From The Nicene Creed and Truth about the Trinity It was 325 A.D. at Nicaea that the doctrine of the Trinity was rammed through by Athanasius (using Mafia tactics) in a Council that was overseen by the Emperor Constantine who, ironically enough, thought of himself as God-incarnate. (Constantine was a Sun Worshiper and only made an official conversion to "Christianity" on his deathbed). Roman coins of the period still portrayed the image of the sun God despite the alleged sudden adoption/conversion of Christianity. Many of those present at the Council Of Nicaea were opposed the doctrine of the Trinity, siding with Arius. Even after the Nicene Creed, the Trinity was still hotly debated for decades and centuries after. ......... 380 AD - Emperor Theodosius the Great declares Christianity the official state religion of the empire. 381 AD - The First Council of Constantinople is held to review the controversy since Nicaea. Emperor Theodosius the Great establishes the creed of Nicaea as the standard for his realm. The Nicene Creed is re-evaluated and accepted with the addition of clauses on the Holy Spirit and other matters. If Nicaea just formalized the prevalent teaching of the church, then why all the conflicts? If it were the established teaching of the church, then you would expect people to either accept it, or not be Christians. It was not the established teaching, and when some faction of the church tried to make it official, the result was major conflict. It was a theological power grab by a faction of the church. A major complication throughout all this was that the emperors were involved and directed the outcome. At Nicaea it was Constantine that decided the outcome. Then we have the flip-flopping of opinion with the result that Athanasius is exiled and recalled depending on who is in power. In 357 AD the declaration that homoousios and homoiousios are unbiblical, and that the Father is greater than His subordinate Son. This is 180 degrees from Nicaea. In 380 AD Emperor Thedosius declares Christianity the state religion. One can come to the conclusion that whichever way Theodosius favors, that is the way in which it is going to end. This is exactly what happened next. In 381 AD the struggle was finally ended by the current emperor, Theodosius the Great, who favored the Nicene position. Just like at Nicaea, the EMPEROR again decided it. The emperors were dictating the theology of the church. The big difference now was that there was not going to be any more changing sides. It was now the state religion. You cannot make Christianity the state religion and then change its beliefs every few years. It would undermine its credibility as the true faith. The Trinity was now the orthodox position, and the state was willing to back it up with force. 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thunderbolt Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 The word trinity does not exist in the bible, nor is there any proof of God being a trinity in the OT. Even christian find it hard to prove the doctrine trinity with the NT. So once again you have your church tradition telling you what god is made up of That makes them polytheists. But they will deny it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 subby... You've raised the ire of the mean_old_man... Your dogma is gonna meet Dave's hammer-ma.. The Hunnert pound hammer of fickle fame, fortune, and helpin' wayward xtian and sectarians find the door outa here. Want to participate and learn something? Be my welcome guest here in the Dave's House. Keep up the bullshit, and back to the outside ya go.. As my fellow Mod and Friend has so well stated in cases like yours "ExC is not your personal witnessing pool." Either you "get it" or you don't.. k, mean_old_man, L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkepticOfBible Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 The word trinity does not exist in the bible, nor is there any proof of God being a trinity in the OT. Even christian find it hard to prove the doctrine trinity with the NT. So once again you have your church tradition telling you what god is made up of That makes them polytheists. But they will deny it of course. Atleast some christians out there are honest Let’s see if my thousand page Hastings Dictionary of the Bible can help us. Page 1015, TRINITY--The Christian doctrine of God as existing in three Persons and one Substance IS NOT DEMONSTRABLE BY LOGIC or SCRIPTURAL PROOF... Is God a Closed TRINITY or an Open FAMILY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroikaze Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Folks, Before you read the answer to pritishd's excellent set of questions by this brain scarred survivor an alien anal probing, figure that he is one tiny step from pissing the mean_old_man off enough to earn a goodly time out. Cat seems to have a direct-disconnect and thus a disability to answer plainly placed and stted questions. Then when he does the below appears. If an un-believer pulled lateral style shit like this on any sectarian board, he'd be on his ass as fast as the nazirators could push the buttons.. kL ******************************************* Ok this whole section is just rude...so much for christian love Here is what makes a Christian and the last post I will make in this topic. Read closely. 1.) Believe in your heart through faith that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose the third day, thus conquering death and giving us the gift of eternal life if we believe in Him. 2.) The Bible - the Word of God - the canonization process was created through four main links. Inspiration, Canonization, Transmission and Translation. The canon has been closed for about 1600 years. 3.) Accept and believe in the Trinity. The Godhead = God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. 4.) If you want more detailed description, click HERE. The Nicene Creed came about through one of the first Councils regarding and subsequently affirming the Christian belief. That Council as well as Council of Hippo (A. D. 393) were first to start the recognition of Chrisitan belief thus setting the goal for a canon of Scripture. These rules are according to you and your particular denomination, the whole point is that many people who call themselves christians would disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkepticOfBible Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Folks, Before you read the answer to pritishd's excellent set of questions by this brain scarred survivor an alien anal probing, figure that he is one tiny step from pissing the mean_old_man off enough to earn a goodly time out. Cat seems to have a direct-disconnect and thus a disability to answer plainly placed and stted questions. Then when he does the below appears. If an un-believer pulled lateral style shit like this on any sectarian board, he'd be on his ass as fast as the nazirators could push the buttons.. kL ******************************************* Hey sub_zero did you right this?or was it modified. Either ways, who ever wrote it is a jerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlerman Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Folks, Before you read the answer to pritishd's excellent set of questions by this brain scarred survivor an alien anal probing, figure that he is one tiny step from pissing the mean_old_man off enough to earn a goodly time out. Cat seems to have a direct-disconnect and thus a disability to answer plainly placed and stted questions. Then when he does the below appears. If an un-believer pulled lateral style shit like this on any sectarian board, he'd be on his ass as fast as the nazirators could push the buttons.. kL ******************************************* Hey sub_zero did you right this?or was it modified. Either ways, who ever wrote it is a jerk I believe our beloved mod, mean_old_man Kevin put this disclaimer in at the beginng to warn everyone about his post. Make sense now? I don't know about you, but I feel safer with Kevin around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taphophilia Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Folks, Before you read the answer to pritishd's excellent set of questions by this brain scarred survivor an alien anal probing, figure that he is one tiny step from pissing the mean_old_man off enough to earn a goodly time out. Cat seems to have a direct-disconnect and thus a disability to answer plainly placed and stted questions. Then when he does the below appears. If an un-believer pulled lateral style shit like this on any sectarian board, he'd be on his ass as fast as the nazirators could push the buttons.. kL ******************************************* Hey sub_zero did you right this?or was it modified. Either ways, who ever wrote it is a jerk I believe our beloved mod, mean_old_man Kevin put this disclaimer in at the beginng to warn everyone about his post. Make sense now? I don't know about you, but I feel safer with Kevin around. Me too! Obviously Zero did not read the rules to the Colesseum. He blatantly ignores the rules as he sees fit. Taph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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