Soule Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 so we all have heard of this thing called the christian god. but what many people havent heard of is the atrocaties that people associated with him. i open this thread as a challenge to wether or not it was god who truly commited these atrocities. one question that i would like you to keep on your mind "what would jesus do?" lets start with numbers 31. otherwise known as the slaughtering of the midianites: Numbers 31 31:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 31:2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. 31:3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian. 31:4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war. 31:5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 31:6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand. 31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 31:8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 31:9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. 31:13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. 31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. 31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. ok well lets review. god spoke to moses, saying "take revenge on the midianites for the wrongs they have done to you." ask yourself 'what would jesus do?' they go into midian and kill all the male men and take the women and children captive. moses is aparently pissed off by this "have ye saved all the women alive?" and a sickness rises up in the jewish numbers, punishing them for letting them live. then moses orders his troups to slaughter every male child, and slaughter every non virgin. would jesus kill inocent children? then all the female virgins were kept as servents for the jews, and were eventually married to them. now back in that culture, the way that you were betrothed to another was that you had sex with them. so i would say its safe to assume these children were raped in the name of god. if you watched a man slaughter your mother, father, and brothers... would you want to sleep with him let alone marry him? would jesus aprove of this? what would jesus do? so lets look over this. do you truly believe that it was god who ordered these atrocities? a perfect, never changing being? what would jesus do? what would you do? was this ok to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Prediction: If you'll get any fundie reply at all, it will be along the lines of "How can we judge gawd? He made us all so he owns us all, and if he wants us to commit genocide we have to obey!!11!!!11!!!" In other words, just another way to say "I dunno what to say, that's never really been covered in my brainwashing sessions church services" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Soule, I know how I would probably would have responded to this when I was a Christian. I probably would have said that of course we can expect differences between God as revealed in the old testament and God as revealed in the new testament. I don't know how I would have reconciled that with god as an unchanging being though. I'm glad that I'm an no longer a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soule Posted August 6, 2006 Author Share Posted August 6, 2006 Soule, I know how I would probably would have responded to this when I was a Christian. I probably would have said that of course we can expect differences between God as revealed in the old testament and God as revealed in the new testament. I don't know how I would have reconciled that with god as an unchanging being though. I'm glad that I'm an no longer a Christian. well ive brought up the point a couple of times with the christians. all ive gotten were replies that i shot down with ease. the basics i have gotten is "god has a plan and we have to have faith in him." of which i am not satisfied. in order to believe in something, then people, logically, must have some form of logical reasoning behind it. i want someone to explain that logic, christian or non christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Soule, after reading your last post here, I immediately thought of various things associated with Western philosophy. I am armed with the knowledge however that you are a Taoist. I think that's more than fine, because I personally find Taoists to be rather congenial. Let me likewise try to arm you. The only thing that I can really claim to believe in at the moment is -- that it is possible to understand the world. Not that I understand it mind you, only that it is possible to come into an understanding of it. Now we are both somewhat equally armed I hope. If you don't mind let me ask you a question. Is it reasonable to believe that there is Tao? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soule Posted August 6, 2006 Author Share Posted August 6, 2006 Soule, after reading your last post here, I immediately thought of various things associated with Western philosophy. I am armed with the knowledge however that you are a Taoist. I think that's more than fine, because I personally find Taoists to be rather congenial. Let me likewise try to arm you. The only thing that I can really claim to believe in at the moment is -- that it is possible to understand the world. Not that I understand it mind you, only that it is possible to come into an understanding of it. Now we are both somewhat equally armed I hope. If you don't mind let me ask you a question. Is it reasonable to believe that there is Tao? through my experiances i have experianced what some people call "tao" and what others call "zen" and what others call "one ness". depending on the personal beliefs and different moddles of perception, the belief in tao is both reasonable and unreasonable. me myself, i'm not what one would usually call a taoist. i know of it and i have experianced it though i dont really follow it. i follow myself and my own beliefs. i'm more ecclectic in my philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Soule I know that this probably isn't what you had in mind for this thread, so I'll stop posting here after this. You say that you have experienced Tao yet you do not follow it? When a wise scolar hears the Tao, He practices it diligently. When a mediocre scolar hears the Tao, He wavers between belief and unbelief. When a worthless scolar hears the Tao, He laughs boisterously at it. But if such a one does not laugh at it, The Tao would not be the Tao! So by this criteria I'd have to say that you might be somewhere between being a wise and a mediocre scolar! Having experinced Tao why do you not follow it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soule Posted August 8, 2006 Author Share Posted August 8, 2006 Soule I know that this probably isn't what you had in mind for this thread, so I'll stop posting here after this. You say that you have experienced Tao yet you do not follow it? When a wise scolar hears the Tao, He practices it diligently. When a mediocre scolar hears the Tao, He wavers between belief and unbelief. When a worthless scolar hears the Tao, He laughs boisterously at it. But if such a one does not laugh at it, The Tao would not be the Tao! So by this criteria I'd have to say that you might be somewhere between being a wise and a mediocre scolar! Having experinced Tao why do you not follow it? because there is so much more than just the tao to experiance in this world! and so many more different viewpoints to experiance those experiances through. if one lets themselves be guided through one viewpoint their entire life, they misses out on 99.999999...% of what the world truly has to offer. however one could also argue that i do follow the tao in the sense that one who follows the tao can see the whole world staying inside... or whatever, i'm too lazy to look up the verse XD also feel free to keep posting. i doubt this string is gonna go very far anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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