Checkmate Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Damned If You Do (A division of Ebon Musings) Has anyone else ever noticed that, as far as theists are concerned, atheists just can't win? Every single thing we do, or don't do, is interpreted by believers in such a way as to give aid and comfort to their beliefs. Consider: When theists commit evil or criminal acts, it just goes to show that we're all sinners and no one's perfect, and an entire worldview should not be blamed for the actions of a few misguided individuals; but when atheists commit evil or criminal acts, it just goes to show how the entire atheist worldview inevitably leads to evil and immorality. When atheists debate theists, it's because we're obsessed with God even though we claim not to believe in him, but when we don't debate theists, it's because we're afraid of the truth. When atheists don't behave morally, it's because atheism inevitably leads to immoral deeds, but when we do it's because we're unknowingly following the law of God written in our hearts. When theists are happy, it proves that believing in God confers a sense of true inner peace and contentment; but when atheists are happy, it only proves that we're selfish hedonists. When an atheist converts to theism, this proves that theism is true; but when a theist converts to atheism, they obviously never really believed in the first place. Also, when a person becomes an atheist, it must be because they are rebelling against something, or because of a secret desire to sin; but a person who converts to theism is always sincere and acting from the best of motives. If a person had a religious upbringing and is now an atheist, it just goes to show that that person rejected God because of a bad experience with the church, but if a person had no religious upbringing and is now an atheist, it just goes to show that they've been brainwashed into atheism. Theists say that we must be atheists because of blind faith, since reason points to God's existence, but if we say we are atheists because of reason, theists say it just goes to show that human reason is limited and that we can only approach God through faith. Theists say that God will reveal his existence to anyone at all who asks, but if we do this and nothing happens, theists say that we weren't sincere enough and that God won't reveal himself to just anyone who asks. Theists say that there is overwhelming evidence of God's existence, but when a scientific test finds no evidence of God, theists say that of course this will happen, because God purposely withholds overwhelming evidence of his existence so as to allow room for faith. Are there any others I've neglected to mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japedo Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Outstanding synopsis of what it's like to debate a fundy and how their no-win logic makes it damn near impossible to talk to them. The rules constantly change depending on the angle. Thanks for posting it. This should be required reading to all xtians who wish to post @ Ex-C IMO. * Disclaimer I do not really believe anyone should be forced to read anything, but it would be nice if they would, it would save us a lot of time during debates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad_religion Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 1)If a christian becomes an atheist, and their life gets better, they say it is because the devil is rewarding them for rejecting Christ. 2)If an atheist becomes a christian, and their life gets better, they say God is blessing them for accepting Christ. 3)If a christian becomes an atheist, and their life gets worse, they say it is because God is punishing their unbelief. 4)If an atheist becomes a christian, and their life gets worse, they say the devil is persecuting them. These are just a few excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thackerie Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Not sure this is on-topic, but one of the (many) things that annoys me about fundies is when they say nonsenical tripe like "it takes more faith to be an atheist" or "atheism is a religion" or "atheists worship "darwinism"/evolution," etc. It's like they've been so brainwashed that they just can't comprehend that there are free, rational-thinking people but instead that everyone must bow down and worship something like they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostOrFound Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 You're an evil one, Mr. Grinch.... and I love it! LOL In talking with my family, I point out these very same things and they just look at me like I'm an alien. I wonder if they are just incapable of seeing the hypocrisy of their shifting positions?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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