See This Is Where Dinosaurs Come From

[Guest thenotchosenone]

This is great get ready to laugh your ass offCreationist theory of dinosaurs

[Ouroboros]

I notice they haven't updated the article in a while. They ask if the Bible mentions dinosaurs, and it does, plenty of times, since recent discoveries show that birds are related to the dinos. What's funny is that the Holy Spirit supposedly came down over Jesus as a dove, when he was baptized, The Holy Spirit as a Dinosaur. Muahaha!!! Ain't that cool? A dino flew over Jesus head? (Would fit for a new title to a book.) That's something for our cartoonists on this website to draw.

 

And during the flood, Noah let a couple of dinosaurs out to test if the water had receded.

[Jun]

The Bible, God’s very special book (or collection of books, really), claims that each writer was supernaturally inspired to write exactly what the Creator of all things wanted him to write down for us so that we can know where we (and dinosaurs) came from, why we are here, and what our future will be. The first book in the Bible—Genesis—teaches us many things about how the universe and life came into existence. Genesis tells us that God created everything—the Earth, stars, sun, moon, plants, animals, and the first two people. Although the Bible does not tell us exactly how long ago it was that God made the world and its creatures, we can make a good estimate of the date of creation by reading through the Bible and noting some interesting passages:

 

1. God made everything in six days. He did this, by the way, to set a pattern for mankind, which has become our seven day week (as described in Exodus 20:11). God worked for six days and rested for one, as a model for us. Furthermore, Bible scholars will tell you that the Hebrew word for day used in Genesis 1, can only mean an ordinary day in this context.
   
2. We are told God created the first man and woman—Adam and Eve—on Day Six. Many facts about when their children and their children’s children were born are given in Genesis. These genealogies are recorded throughout the Old Testament, up until the time of Christ. They certainly were not chronologies lasting millions of years.
   

As you add up all of the dates, and accepting that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to Earth almost 2000 years ago, we come to the conclusion that the creation of the Earth and animals (including the dinosaurs) occurred only thousands of years ago (perhaps only 6000!), not millions of years. Thus, if the Bible is right (and it is!), dinosaurs must have lived within the past thousands of years.

 

Delusion is deep it seems. How very sad.

[Ouroboros]

I still never heard an explanation to the "days" in Genesis. From what point on the planet was it measured?

 

And what more, the Genesis story actually do support the idea of the planet bringing forth life. The stoy say that God told the water to "bring forth life". So not even the story really say that "God created" life. He supposedly told the planet to make it. Which is theistic evolution.

[Robbobrob]

I love the jump from God making the world and deeming it good, to everything, even the dumbest of animals, being very wicked. Again, the work of an all-loving creator.

[Mongo]

The guy watches far too many Disney movies:

 

Will We Ever See a Live Dinosaur?

The answer is probably not … but, then again? There are some scientists who believe a few dinosaurs may have survived in remote jungles. We are still discovering new species of animals and plants today in areas that have been too difficult to explore until now. Even natives in some countries describe beasts that fit with what might be a dinosaur.

 

Now... doesn't that last sentence pretty much destroy his evidence of Job, the bible and other ancient texts describing beasts that look like dinosaurs?

 

After all, if current cultures describe dinos and no dinos can be found then it is clear proof (sooo sad that we need proof of this) that people exaggerate?

 

Mongo

 

PS - I didn't even comment on his use of the term scientest for those who fancy the notion that dinos could be found today. He's a text book apologist. No beast on this earth has ever exaggerated more than the appologist.

[Antlerman]

So evolution is not factual? Then explain this:

The Bible teaches (in Genesis 1:29-30) that the original animals (and the first humans) were commanded to be vegetarian. There were no meat eaters in the original creation. Furthermore, there was no death. It was an unblemished world, with Adam and Eve and animals (including dinosaurs) living in perfect harmony, eating only plants.

So all animals were vegetarians, and then humans exercised free will and damned themselves and animals to suffering? Now somehow those flat teeth became something different than just flat for grinding plants. Now they were sharp and pointed for ripping flesh open to eat meat. How did that happen?

 

Did God re-create animals, or did sin set the ball in motion that cause gradual change, A.K.A. "Evolution"? How did those teeth change? If God created them, then God both designed and created killing machines! If sin just opened the door for gradual change, then Answers in Genesis are morons. Evolution happened even in their scenario.

[Grandpa Harley]

So evolution is not factual? Then explain this:

The Bible teaches (in Genesis 1:29-30) that the original animals (and the first humans) were commanded to be vegetarian. There were no meat eaters in the original creation. Furthermore, there was no death. It was an unblemished world, with Adam and Eve and animals (including dinosaurs) living in perfect harmony, eating only plants.

So all animals were vegetarians, and then humans exercised free will and damned themselves and animals to suffering? Now somehow those flat teeth became something different than just flat for grinding plants. Now they were sharp and pointed for ripping flesh open to eat meat. How did that happen?

 

Did God re-create animals, or did sin set the ball in motion that cause gradual change, A.K.A. "Evolution"? How did those teeth change? If God created them, then God both designed and created killing machines! If sin just opened the door for gradual change, then Answers in Genesis are morons. Evolution happened even in their scenario.

 

Ah! Meat eating came about due to the fall... A Pentecostal told me that, so it must be true...

[Ouroboros]

Antlerman,

 

And as you know, the Ark only contained a few of each "kind", and from those kinds "microevolution" must have occured. Any Christian claiming that no evolution or beneficial mutations can happen, must believe Noah took ALL species and subspecies on the boat, only a few million of them.

 

I heard today that the genetic defect hemochromatosis is mostly prevalent (1 of 3) in northern Europe because of some "miracle" that people that had it most likely survived the black plague. (Survival of the sickest) It seems to be a new field of science and investigation that some genetic defects and diseases where naturally selected because they were fighting of more serious illnesses (i.e. death). And this throws the whole "mutations are only negative or bad" idea on the top of its head.

[quicksand]

Ken Ham is a real piece of work. He's the turkey that's responsible for a 25 million dollar Creation Science Museum, and if I might add...what's up with the fucked up facial hair?

 

Anyway, in his "Musuem" he shows a diorama of an animatronic dinosaur (I think it's one of those raptors from Jurassic Park) sitting along side a young human child, dressed in animal skins, living in perfect harmony together in the garden. Does he realize just how Biblically wrong this picture is? Adam and Eve didn't have childern until after the fall and furthermore, why is this 5 year old wearing animal skins if everyone and every single animal was supposed to be a vegetarian and death had not entered into the world and God did not punish us with death? Oh yeah, nudity is bad. But never mind all that, kids could not have lived with the dinosaurs as Ham would have us believe.

 

(Side thought, why do animals have to die for man's sin? Couldn't god have spared them? Think about it. No-ones fave pet ever need die!)

 

Ham states that "no scientist was there to see the dinosaurs live through this supposed dinosaur age," and that the bible"claims that each writer was supernaturally inspired to write exactly what the Creator of all things wanted him to write down." First of all, Mohammed claimed he was supernaturally inspired. Christians reject it, so why should I accept what the writers claim? And furthermore, Ken is admitting that these writers were not present to record Genesis, yet he accepts it as an authority? It's a special plead he makes and he knows it.

[Antlerman]

Antlerman,

 

And as you know, the Ark only contained a few of each "kind", and from those kinds "microevolution" must have occured. Any Christian claiming that no evolution or beneficial mutations can happen, must believe Noah took ALL species and subspecies on the boat, only a few million of them.

Ok fair enough, but then we come back to this problem: If God didn't recreate them as perfectly designed killing machines, then evolution does in fact occur to modify a herbivore into a carnivore and therefore where are the transitional fossils? We should be able to see some evidence of a T-Rex with flat teeth. Just as he falsely states that there are no transitional fossils supporting the ToE, then he should be able to point to some that shows evidence of his Special Creation theory. If God acts in the natural world, then evidence should be able to be found.

 

Besides... didn't the fall begin the process of change to death in the world, so that by the time of Noah those nasty killing machine dinos would have been ripping little children to shreds with their new found talents. It's bad enough in the real world where animals attack exposed humans. Imagine roaming gangs of raptors wandering around?

 

Maybe the flood and Noah's ark was really to save humans from being eaten into extinction?

[Mongo]

Antlerman,

 

And as you know, the Ark only contained a few of each "kind", and from those kinds "microevolution" must have occured. Any Christian claiming that no evolution or beneficial mutations can happen, must believe Noah took ALL species and subspecies on the boat, only a few million of them.

Ok fair enough, but then we come back to this problem: If God didn't recreate them as perfectly designed killing machines, then evolution does in fact occur to modify a herbivore into a carnivore and therefore where are the transitional fossils? We should be able to see some evidence of a T-Rex with flat teeth. Just as he falsely states that there are no transitional fossils supporting the ToE, then he should be able to point to some that shows evidence of his Special Creation theory. If God acts in the natural world, then evidence should be able to be found.

 

Besides... didn't the fall begin the process of change to death in the world, so that by the time of Noah those nasty killing machine dinos would have been ripping little children to shreds with their new found talents. It's bad enough in the real world where animals attack exposed humans. Imagine roaming gangs of raptors wandering around?

 

Maybe the flood and Noah's ark was really to save humans from being eaten into extinction?

 

But... the dinos that died in the flood also died after the fall of man. The fundy would argue that they would have developed spikey teeth by then.

 

A big problem is the timeline which is more difficult to asail because we cannot easily demonstrate that the time between Adam and Noah was too short for Dinos to develop spikey teeth.

 

The biggest problem is that this is a "god of the gaps" strategy and getting the fundamentalist to agree that this is a critical issue prior to crushing this silly argument is well... impossible.

 

Mongo

[Grandpa Harley]

TBH the existence of fossils at all is unlikely.

 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transi...art1a.html#tran

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

 

http://www.tim-thompson.com/trans-fossils.html

 

tum-ti-tum... the needle returns to the start of the song and they all sing along like before.

[Ouroboros]

I find it quite interesting and even comical that the chicken is related to the dino-s. Imagine a T-Rex sized chicken roaming the country! Tyranosaurus Chicken?