regencybrougham Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 This one is done different from any of the others I have seen. It is neat and so TRUE... Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen ! If you aren't ashamed to do this, please pass this on. Jesus! said, " If you are ashamed of me," I will be ashamed of you before my Father." Not ashamed. Passing this on (In the original forward, pictures of toddlers are in between each section) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknowing1 Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 So the schools and what they teach are so bad here's a prime example of why I think the fundamentalist a..holes need to shut their mouths. My kids went through sex ed in the public schools. My son was taught about his body which enabled him to find a lump and alert me to that fact. Our family doc, arranged for him to be seen immediately (no waiting) by a specialist. While I had discussed the birds and the bees with him I didn't know about testicular cancer so I had never discussed it with him. According to our urologist, not all young men are as lucky and by the time found it is too late, it can spread to the lymph nodes very quickly. He was 16 when he found that lump and I owe my graditude to the school district, the school and the teacher that discussed it in class. If it weren't for them he could very well be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astos Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Aren't prayers supposed to be in private anyways? Why is this "prayer" listing all this crap that isn't forced on a student when it's bitching about not being able to force students to have a classroom prayer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demona- Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 We're allowed to cuss... Not when I was still in school. I only graduated from high school 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubilant Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 This one is done different from any of the others I have seen. It is neat and so TRUE... Was this the title of the forward or your throw in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknowing1 Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 We're allowed to cuss... Not when I was still in school. I only graduated from high school 5 years ago. No kidding, I've heard of students getting detention for cussing but have never heard of a student getting detention for saying a prayer outloud. And what about the part where a pregnant student or daddy made homecoming queen or king. Aren't Christians supposed to have forgiveness in their hearts and not be judgemental? And who says it's right or wrong, perhaps they wanted to be a daddy or a mommy. At least they are staying in school and trying to get an education. More power to them. Not only that I've heard of more school divisions that teach the bible but have never heard of a school division teaching witchcraft and vampires and so what if they do it'd be an elective and if you don't want to take the class, don't take the class. And what in the world is wrong about talking about totempoles? I learned about them in history. Aren't they a part of the Native American Culture? The way someone dresses shouldn't be an issue either, to each his own. No one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to dress that way. Piercings and tatoos, so what they aren't hurting anyone either, you don't like em don't look at em. This is just a bigoted, idiotic piece of fundamentalist nonsense in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 I'm confused. So you are agreeing with the fundies? How is any of it "true"? It's just their fantasy that Christians are persecuted, when in reality, Christians are in the majority. And what exactly is wrong with this? We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. Are you saying that two unmarried people should never have sex or make babies and that teenagers should never, ever get pregnant? That's not reality, and it never was. Don't forget, according to the Bible, Mary was a single unwed pregnant teen. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. In my high school, and I graduated in the 90's, we were not allowed to swear. I don't see what's wrong with getting piercings personally, but we had a dress code. No t-shirts with alcohol/drugs/guns advertising, swear words, or otherwise offensive pictures/text. Most schools do that still. The Bible says that prayers are supposed to be private anyway, and that people are not supposed to pray to show off. Yet that is exactly what modern Christians do. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. The Biblical version of right from wrong means it's right to hate everyone and condemn people to eternal torture in the afterlife just for being different. Do you think it is okay to hate everyone or torture someone forever for a finite crime? Do you think that gay people are evil and should be tortured forever and ever and ever for the "sin" of loving someone of the same sex? I have to agree, this is just a bigoted piece of fundyism. Nothing is stopping Christian kids from praying silently before a test. Nothing. When I was a Christian, I did it in a public high school. There are no mind-reading cops. It is pushing religion onto everyone else that is being stopped, and well and good. Christian brainwashing has no place in a public school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBlinded Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 This is just a bigoted, idiotic piece of fundamentalist nonsense in my opinion. That says it all nicely. They sit there on their high horse and wonder why the people they are offending with this nonsense gets offended and no longer wants to hear their condescending rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 As far as I'm aware, no one stops people praying in schools, it's HAVING to pray in school that is the issue... Unless you herd the Jews outside... and Catholics have never wanted to pray with 'filthy proddies'... so I'd say the whole piece of doggerel nonsense is just another example of just how fucking vacuous the average chain mailing Christ-botherer is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Just wondering, but why is this in Ex-Christian Life anyway? Shouldn't it be in Rants and Replies? I don't see what this has to do with Ex-Christian Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyValkyrie Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 As long as there are tests and pop quizzes given in school there will be prayers prayed in schools whether we like it or not. Oh and BTW for those of you whining about the pregnant teen issue... I got pregnant and married at age 16 and now have 3 children at age 32... a boy who will be 16 in August, a girl who will be 14 in August and another boy who will be 12 in December. I must say, as a former teen mother, that concerns about teen pregnancie is not a "fundie rant" but rather something everyone in our society should be concerned with for it can effect all of us on some level. And stop already with the Mary mother of Jesus was a teen mother crap. That was a different time and a totally different type of society where women started their marriages and families VERY young... where there was no school system let along colleges for these girls and young women to attend... these women never were meant to have careers other than to be a wife and a mother. We are talking about the year 2007 where women have more in life to choose from than fall all over themselves trying to get married by the age of 14 and pop out a kid by 15. Teen mothers can indeed effect all of us. Most, not all, but most end up on some type of public assistance... I know I did. And where does public assistance come from people? Not to mention those who do try and graduate high school who takes care of their child? the grandparents? Day care? Kids having kids is NOT a good thing... even when the kid is trying their best to finish their education and make something of themselves. Being a parent is hard work. So, just because a "fundie" says that teen pregnancy is a "no-no" doesn't mean as an ex-christian we should automatically start thinking up way to make teen pregnancy look good. It's not good people. I love my kids, people and I would do anything for them... even die... but being a teen mother... it was hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedah Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Fundies are still pretending that prayer is banned from school as opposed to mandatory prayer ? Wow, thats pretty sad. This childishness has been going on for how long now ? Far as I can remember... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyValkyrie Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Fundies are still pretending that prayer is banned from school as opposed to mandatory prayer ? Wow, thats pretty sad. This childishness has been going on for how long now ? Far as I can remember... What do you think God (if you believe there is a God that is) will be more willing to hear... a "mandatory" prayer or a prayer that is said silently within someone's own mind that comes from one's own heart and soul? The thing is no one is stopping a single child from doing the latter. Fundies want their children to be able to put on a show... which would actually make them just like the Pharasees... which goes against the very teachings that Jesus taught on prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regencybrougham Posted May 31, 2007 Author Share Posted May 31, 2007 The only part of that I wrote was the line in parentheses describing the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknowing1 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 LadyValkyrie, You misunderstood my post regarding the prenant teen issue and have put words where words aren't. My point was that it was a very judgemental statement and one that I feel is more harmful than helpful. I don't pass judgement on people and I thought that Christians weren't supposed to either, but obviously I am wrong. I am all for sex ed in the schools and frankly if my children's school handed out birth control I wouldn't mind a bit. Why? Because hopefully the teaching both at home and at school of what happens if you have a baby as a teen may just cause a child to stop and think or at least take necessary precautions. I can tell my kids until the day I die that I don't want them to have sex, but I cannot be with them 100% of the time. I try to limit my children in what they do and where they go but being a teen myself at one time know what can and does happen. While I'd like to think they listened and are perfect I don't delude myself into thinking that they did and are. BUT if a child does end up pregnant I certainly am not going to force them to wear a scarlet letter on their forehead. Instead I will support them. Just because a teen becomes pregnant doesn't mean that you label them, treat them as a second class citizen and not support them. Supporting them would mean providing resources that they need to succeed be it public assistance, free day care, additional educational opportunities so that they can be a functioning member of society. They shouldn't have to deal with the stigma that surrounds a pregnant unwed teen mother in addition to what they have to go through, taking care of their kids, getting an education, finding a job that will support the family, finding day care etc. To me it is the support network for children in these circumstances that needs to change, I really don't think they need to be kicked out of society like they did with lepers years ago (and that should never have happened). And by being voted homecoming queen or king means they are being embraced by the other students not because they have had a child and everyone thinks that's cool but because they as part of society embrace that person and are not being judgemental and are not as I like to say kicking em to the curb. I understand how hard it is for a prenant teen and I am sorry that you had to go through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro-bear Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 In my high school, and I graduated in the 90's, we were not allowed to swear. I don't see what's wrong with getting piercings personally, but we had a dress code. No t-shirts with alcohol/drugs/guns advertising, swear words, or otherwise offensive pictures/text. Most schools do that still. Nothing is stopping Christian kids from praying silently before a test. Nothing. When I was a Christian, I did it in a public high school. There are no mind-reading cops. It is pushing religion onto everyone else that is being stopped, and well and good. Christian brainwashing has no place in a public school. This is still true. This silly prayer(which sucks, by the way; the meter is dreadful) is full of the typical fundy strawmen. My school has no fewer than four Christian organizations. They pray their asses off, and no one cares. These meetings are a guaranteed excused tardy as well. They often offer pizza as enticement. Kids in school can pray wherever, whenever they wish. The proper way to respond to messages like this is confrontation and correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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