Onyx Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I was so excited to get an advert on a youth camp called SummerHarvest at school. I assumed it would be a super cool camp with a lot of fun partying with skateboarding, surfboarding, BMXing, water sliding and breathtakingly beautiful beaches; not to mention cool girls surfing and hot shirtless guys skateboarding. All sounded like Elysium for me but when I looked at the website of this camp, I was infuriated when I learnt that this camp's real purpose was to preach the love of Christ into us youths. I don't go to camps to learn "truths" that actually is a crock of bullshit and which impinges on other people's right not to listen to these fucking bullshit sermons disguised as hip, cool and modern teenspeak. Christian may think us teens are unsaved gits and try to indoctrinate us into thinking the Zombie way but their scrubbed clean piousity doesn't sit well with me and possibly others. I am human and proud of it. If I have to improve myself, I will improve myself without these busybodies thinking what's best for me. I don't need religious guilt and unneedful unworthiness. If you Christians want to preach to me through your "group brainwashing prayer sessions" at the camp, spare your blabbering. I want Nature, smouldering guys, food, fun and friendships. I don't want your ecclesiatical braying. No thanks, Christ is yours for the taking. Suck off him all you want. Why is that the coolest camps have to be churchy in it contents and aim? Why not a secular camp where I can relax and not to be shaken up in the morning, pressured to learn some lies from The Acts of New Testament? Sleep ins are cool, friends are cooler but the beaches are the coolest. I don't want to have to sit through sermons at night when I can lay and look at the majestic stars. The thousands of visible stars in the sky in all their glory teaches me more than a sermon by a youth panderer in musty crowded marquee ever could. That is true truth, not made up truth. I'd love it if Summer Harvest could change its aims and make it more acceptable for us anti religious fundamentalism/secular/atheist/agnostic/etc teens but I suppose I'm holding my breath for nothing. All these gorgeous beaches wasted on these out of date and flailing marquee sermons! Oh, please give us a decent secular camp in NZ for once. I beg. The Christian youth camps is getting passe quickly among me and my friends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Why is that the coolest camps have to be churchy in it contents and aim? Funding. Pure and simple. Christian organizations take in far more money to put on these types of camps than secular organizations. I'd bet most parents tend to trust them more, too, since they think the church does no wrong (obviously ignoring all the clergy molestation charges and camp abuse accusations rampant in the media). Now that I think about it, I'm struck and amused by the fact that "fund" (i.e. money) is part of the word "fundamentalist." How about that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Monk hit part of it...money. The other part is desire. The church desires to reach out to kids. They are like tobacco companies. They NEED new recruits all the time. So they need to come up with a hip new product to appeal to today's youth. Back in my day they didn't do such things but they've wised up in recent years. The music is better. The camps are better (the best one I went to was slightly above a detention camp...but I did manage to sneak away with a couple friends for awhile and have a little fun). Everything is better. Secular camps are still just camps. They aren't recruiting. They have a little camp and maybe you come and maybe you don't. They don't seem to understand they're competing with "jesus" just yet. Those that do will improve the product (sans recruitment) and those that don't will die off. But like the tobacco companies notice how the church likes to disguise the fact that they're the church. They're back-dooring their product into your mind since people wouldn't go if the ad blatantly said "We're a jesus camp too! Get your worship on!" mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 But like the tobacco companies notice how the church likes to disguise the fact that they're the church. They're back-dooring their product into your mind since people wouldn't go if the ad blatantly said "We're a jesus camp too! Get your worship on!" mwc And that, as much as anything, is what REALLY infuriates me about most religions....such sneaky, underhanded, deceptive, low-life tactics! As if most people don't have enough trouble sorting out the truth from bullshit in modern society! Why not add (by subterfuge) a little more guilt and emotional distress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 IF I had fewer morals than people who make child porn, I'd have considered going the Haggard route of dying rich... just with fewer male hookers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 And that, as much as anything, is what REALLY infuriates me about most religions....such sneaky, underhanded, deceptive, low-life tactics! As if most people don't have enough trouble sorting out the truth from bullshit in modern society! Why not add (by subterfuge) a little more guilt and emotional distress? That is why I mourn NZ's budding obsession with trojan Christian camps. It seems for every one good fun camps, there is three trojan Christian camps nowadays. I can remember going to a wonderful camp without the Jesus fetish attached but that was so long ago. Monk hit part of it...money. The other part is desire. The church desires to reach out to kids. They are like tobacco companies. They NEED new recruits all the time. So they need to come up with a hip new product to appeal to today's youth. Back in my day they didn't do such things but they've wised up in recent years. The music is better. The camps are better (the best one I went to was slightly above a detention camp...but I did manage to sneak away with a couple friends for awhile and have a little fun). Everything is better. Secular camps are still just camps. They aren't recruiting. They have a little camp and maybe you come and maybe you don't. They don't seem to understand they're competing with "jesus" just yet. Those that do will improve the product (sans recruitment) and those that don't will die off. But like the tobacco companies notice how the church likes to disguise the fact that they're the church. They're back-dooring their product into your mind since people wouldn't go if the ad blatantly said "We're a jesus camp too! Get your worship on!" mwc If Summer Harvest was more honest about its content "We are God's HellDrillers and we are here to give you our piece of Hell! We hate it but you have to have it! Praise Jesus the Alpha and Omega Fishhead! Here, we'll give away crappy Christian bands CDs that tries to copy better and more satanic bands and fail. Watch us try to be hip and fail! Just like the film "Saved!" That's how hip we are. Oh and don't forget to give us money to inflict the misery and guilt on others. Wheee- Isn't Christianity fun?" I would have somewhat more respect for it. Funding. Pure and simple. Christian organizations take in far more money to put on these types of camps than secular organizations. I'd bet most parents tend to trust them more, too, since they think the church does no wrong (obviously ignoring all the clergy molestation charges and camp abuse accusations rampant in the media). I sincerely hope Summer Harvest has a rash of gay, straight and bisexual teen sex rampages and preachers being caught with an underage groupie... Now that I think about it, I'm struck and amused by the fact that "fund" (i.e. money) is part of the word "fundamentalist." How about that.... Well spotted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 They need a solid dose of the Jason Voohees touch...choo choo chooo ha ha haaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 That sucks, Onyx. I wonder why they feel the need for such secrecy? Do they think they'll get non-Christian kids to join unwittingly because their parents may be too lazy to check out the website? They don't even follow their own religion if they are that embarassed to advertise that they are a Christian camp. The thousands of visible stars in the sky in all their glory teaches me more than a sermon by a youth panderer in musty crowded marquee ever could.That is true truth, not made up truth. Almond to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 This camp is organised by this snaky group. God is a guilt inducing lie and they are selling it to kids without their say in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We have changed from a youth organisation to a mission community. So from now on where you heard the name YFC or Youth for Christ that will be replaced with Incedo. From their own web site. Looks like they are being very sneaky indeed, to take the word Christ out of their advertising materials. But I notice it's still all over their web site. However will they deal with the intelligent teens who google them first? I also noticed no mention of Christ in the About link: http://www.yfc.org.nz/northland/default.asp?page=about And it is not on their main page, they just have ads. You really have to dig on that site to realize they're a religious organization. However, googling Incendo does bring up religious links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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