New Scholarship Expands on "Gun Control"

[♦ nivek ♦]

Dennis...

 

Bit more on the Genocide subject(s).

 

Not often do I depend on entire posts for *support* of my opinions set here at ExC.

Usually the the newsies are popped up and folks can read into them and glean what they want.

 

In ameriKa, my Nation which I see becoming increasingly further and further from its Roots in Freedom the ability to Keep Arms is paramount.

 

You and I are entitled to our lives and opinions, however if we cannot back them, those ideals and ideas, then it is all talk..

 

An armed citizenry is one which is control of its destiny, not proles, not machete targets, not religious texas barbecue..

 

JPFO is not a *religious organization* as such, however its membership is driven by a pair of men of the hebrew faith whom believe and practice their Civil Right not to be fucked with by carrying arms..

 

I support tham as an "enemy of my enemy is my friend". JPFO is an active and vocal friend in the fight for our Common Freedoms.

 

If so inclined read their latest newsie. See a bit why I believe that Arms of all kinds in the hands of *common citizens* makes for genocide prevention.

 

And it also makes for a very generally peaceful situation when everyone is "equally yoked" with the tools to prevent murder and pillage.

 

Genocide and democide happens because OF Government, not the lack of it..

 

Arguing against firearms and self protective devices is an agreement FOR murder..

 

kL

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ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP

America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

 

July 13, 2005

 

JPFO ALERT: New Scholarship Expands on "Gun Control" - Genocide

Connection!

 

David Kopel, Paul Gallant and Joanne Eisen have published

recently a new working paper, entitled "Is Resisting

Genocide a Human Right?"

 

http://www.davidkopel.org/2A/Foreign/genocide.pdf

 

"Resisting Genocide" is a 47-page scholarly article that

argues that international law requires a mechanism for

protecting people from genocide, but governmental entities

have repeatedly failed to prevent or stop mass murders and

genocides. Every human being has a right to fight against

aggressors intending genocide, and the way to do that is to

remain armed. Under international law and international

norms, the authors show, the individual right to keep and

bear arms must be preserved as the necessary means of

preventing genocide.

 

We at JPFO salute these authors and their excellent work.

Articles like "Resisting Genocide" are doing exactly what

is needed: to develop and publicize the "gun control" -

genocide connection using solid research and applying the

insights to current situations.

 

Since its inception, JPFO has been explaining how

widespread private firearms ownership can literally save

lives and prevent genocide. The "Resisting Genocide" paper

takes that observation and applies it to the ongoing

genocide in Sudan and several other recent cases of mass

murder. We are honored and pleased that these fine authors

are putting these ideas to fruitful use.

 

If you (or others you know) have trouble visualizing and

understanding the horrific consequences of disarming the

civilians in a country, then you need to get and watch

_Innocents Betrayed_. (http://www.innocentsbetrayed.com).

Truly, you need to really see and feel the idea of

genocide. You need to see the direct connection between

powerlessness and systematic destruction. No film makes

that connection any clearer than _Innocents Betrayed_. In

fact, David Kopel himself endorsed _Innocents Betrayed_

as "a stellar achievement!"

 

When your heart and mind unite to shout "never again" to

genocide and civilian disarmament, then you can use great

tools like our book _Death by "Gun Control"_ and the new

"Resisting Genocide" article to transmit the vital facts,

figures and logic to others.

 

Here are the direct links:

 

www.innocentsbetrayed.com

www.jpfo.org/deathgc.htm

www.davidkopel.org/2A/Foreign/genocide.pdf

 

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[chefranden]

Kevin,

 

Sometimes you mess with my mind. I read this stuff and think maybe I'll go buy a couple of guns, and some ammo, just in case. My wife will be pissed but so what.

 

Then I think, what good will a semi auto rifle and pistol do against f-16s and Abrams tanks? So I don't do it.

 

Now you got me to thinking that maybe it is my duty to be armed. I don't know, the only person I've threatened to shoot since my war is myself. Maybe I took up nonviolence for my own sake.

 

chef.

[nightflight]

How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every (soviet) police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?

 

"...if during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs (apartments), paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? ...the organs (police) would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers...and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed (Communist government) machine would have ground to a halt."

 

Alexander Solzhenitsyn Nobel Prize winner, spent 11 years in communist concentration camps

[SOIL]

Very interesting Kevin -

 

Actually I am thinking about ordering that video Innocents BETRAYED - but the link at : "we're offering your choice of four special deals. Click here!" doesn't work.

 

Do you know how a person can order it?

 

-Dennis

[Amanda]

I hope I'm not off the topic too much. I do believe heavily in the right to bare arms. Please let me ask those of you who know about guns and such, this question that has bothered me.

 

I have a cabin, at a fish camp in the middle of the 'sticks' I tell you. Some of that good swamp property you hear about in Florida. Can't even get cell phone reception there for nothing! I love it there. I am often there alone for days, except when I can take my son's dog, a Boxer. Most of the time I feel safe there because everyone knows that everyone has several guns at every residence... and no one 'plays' out there. You break in their house, they wouldn't hesitate one second. Otherwise, they're really nice people.

 

My cabin is the most secluded one. Of course, I have no gun. I've never shot a gun. I'm sure I'm the ONLY one out there without a gun. I'm sure they all know this about me, although never discussed. Obviously everyone else out there thinks they need a gun. I think that if I have a gun, and the person breaking into my house has a gun, they are going to be better at it than I... so naturally if I pull a gun, I automatically lose. Should I take lessons and get a gun, or should I let it go?

[♦ nivek ♦]

Dennis and all in the uS:

 

We ahve a duty, a Civic duty if nothing else to be prepared for protecting ourselves.

 

Disaster and emergencies do not wait for us to go to our comfortable spots, far away from action hideaways.

 

Watch televised news after a natural disaster, folks left totally to their own devices, including family permiter and personal defence(s).

 

Firearms are simply a device. One layer of planning that will include laying away of stores, clothing, medications, needed items and life saving materials.

 

I use a firearm, short or long gun as an extention of my will. If I do not want something or somebody to act at or on me, that is what is going to pan out.

 

chef, I don't want you to buy that long gun for anything offensive. However when things up in your woods go *bump* and the cops are on donut break a county and a half over, you are *it* for self defence until they come to clean things up.

When reports and pictures are taken of chalk marks, I'd really prefer it was the bad_actor, not you or mrs. chef outlined in those marks..

 

Amanda, I encourage EVERY to take the NRA Basic Pistol Course and carry a good simple 38 Special revolver. I don't care if your jurisdiction does not *permit* you (FL is a shall Issue state http://www.packing.org ) being preopared to defend your life is worth more than being injured, raped, accosted, or killed..

 

Dennis http://www.jpfo.org is home for Jews for Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

You'll find jump off spots for tons of information(s) on damn near any self defence including genocides.

 

 

RJ Rummel's Democide Site

 

kL

[Karl-777]

Kevin is absolutely right, Amanda. My advice would be to learn to protect yourself.

 

Let's see what the German Führer had to say about it:

 

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.

 

Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country."

 

~ Original papers: Borman Vermerke - Quoted in  'Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944: His Privet Conversations', 2nd Edition, 1973, Pages 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens

A key phrase in the above is "arms to the underdogs".

To the statist, the "underdog" is anybody who does not agree with those in power.

 

Now let's see what the religionist supporters of the American Führer have to say about those who do not agree with them:

 

The following cited from: http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/right_jews.htm

 

A study by the Institute for First Amendment Studies found a prevalence of anti-Semitism within the Christian Right. While some of the prejudice and hostility toward Jews is concealed, much is blatant. Stereotyping of Jews is widespread; and anti-Semitism in the form of aggressive missionary activity threatens the very existence of Judaism.

 

Several disturbing trends indicate that — unless sweeping changes are made — anti-Semitism within conservative Christianity will not only continue as a long-term problem, but will escalate sharply. Thousands of private Christian schools and Christian home schools utilize anti-Semitic textbooks. These textbooks include the "original" McGuffey's Readers, which have enjoyed a tremendous resurgence in recent years, and books published by Bob Jones University Press for use in Christian schools.

 

Additionally, the Christian Right's anti-abortion movement has anti-Semitic overtones. Anti-abortion groups such as Operation Rescue and Life Dynamics list "Jewish doctors" as the leading performers of abortion.

 

So-called "humanism" is under attack by the Religious Right in schools and other institutions across the country. Condemnation of humanism has anti-Semitic roots. Though seldom mentioned, Christian Right leaders link humanism with Judaism, saying "Judaism grew out of the rejection of Jesus Christ and steadily became humanism."........

 

Anti-Semitism and Christian schools

 

With an estimated 500,000 children being taught at home, the home school movement is a rapidly growing phenomena. Newsweek's Sam Allis called Christian Fundamentalism "the backbone of the home-school movement." One series of books, McGuffey's Eclectic Readers, popular with both Christian schools and home schools, influence the minds of tens-of-thousands of impressionable youngsters

 

These are the same books originally published in 1836 by the Rev. William H. McGuffey. With 19th century sales of 125 million copies, McGuffey is considered "the author of the most popular schoolbook ever written." McGuffey's original Readers were, according to the current publishers, "Christ-centered." In time, though, most of the religious references were removed.

 

McGuffey's original Readers, now reborn for use in Christian homes and schools, are sexist, racist, and anti-Semitic. While the Readers reflect the time in which they were written, their use today indicates a giant step backward in human relations. The sexist aspects of the Readers promote "proper" roles for men and women. Among the racism portrayed is the constant referral to Native Americans as "savages." The anti-Semitism found in the McGuffey's Readers takes several forms.

 

A line from the Eclectic Third Reader warns students about the perils of rejecting Christianity. "It will cost something to be a Christian: it will cost more not to be so.".....

 

"So let us be blunt about it: We must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will be get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God."

 

~ 'The Intellectual Schizophrenia of the New Christian Right in Christianity and Civilization: The Failure of the American Baptist Culture', No. 1 (Spring, 1982), page 25

To the "Christian" Reconstructionists, Führer Bush is "soft". Does that tell you anything? The insanity of these people and the Taliban are....the same

 

"The Church doesn't believe in book-burning, but it believes in restricting the use of dangerous books among those whose minds are unprepared for them."

 

~ Francis J. Lally, American Roman Catholic Monsignor, Mike Wallace Interview, Fund for the Republic, 1958

 

"The Church has through the centuries, understood that ideas are really more dangerous than other weapons. Their use should be restricted."

 

~ Francis J. Lally, American Roman Catholic Monsignor, Mike Wallace Interview, Fund for the Republic, 1958

 

"Most politically active Christians don't want equal time with homosexuals, abortionists, animal worshipping Pagans, witches, radical feminists and pornographers. We want them silenced and mercifully disciplined according to the word of God..

 

~ review of Ralph Reed's Politically Incorrect in "Chalcedon Report," February, 1995

 

Then there's this, cited from the 2005 Catholic Encyclopedia at: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm

 

The Church's legislation on heresy and heretics is often reproached with cruelty and intolerance. Intolerant it is: in fact its raison d'être is intolerance of doctrines subversive of the faith.

 

But such intolerance is essential to all that is, or moves, or lives, for tolerance of destructive elements within the organism amounts to suicide. Heretical sects are subject to the same law: they live or die in the measure they apply or neglect it.

 

The charge of cruelty is also easy to meet. All repressive measures cause suffering or inconvenience of some sort: it is their nature. But they are not therefore cruel. The father who chastises his guilty son is just and may be tender-hearted. Cruelty only comes in where the punishment exceeds the requirements of the case.

 

Opponents say: Precisely; the rigours of the Inquisition violated all humane feelings. We answer: they offend the feelings of later ages in which there is less regard for the purity of faith; but they did not antagonize the feelings of their own time, when heresy was looked on as more malignant than treason.

 

In proof of which it suffices to remark that the inquisitors only renounced on the guilt of the accused and then handed him over to the secular power to be dealt with according to the laws framed by emperors and kings.

 

Medieval people found no fault with the system, in fact heretics had been burned by the populace centuries before the Inquisition became a regular institution. And whenever heretics gained the upper hand, they were never slow in applying the same laws: so the Huguenots in France, the Hussites in Bohemia, the Calvinists in Geneva, the Elizabethan statesmen and the Puritans in England.

 

Toleration came in only when faith went out; lenient measures were resorted to only where the power to apply more severe measures was wanting. The embers of the Kulturkampf in Germany still smoulder; the separation and confiscation laws and the ostracism of Catholics in France are the scandal of the day. Christ said: "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Matt., x, 34). The history of heresy verifies this prediction and shows, moreover, that the greater number of the victims of the sword is on the side of the faithful adherents of the one Church founded by Christ (see INQUISITION)

 

Does anyone think that the Whore of Rome sleeps? or.....that they would not like to re-acquire the "power to apply more severe measures"? If you don't think so, then think again, reader...or maybe, try thinking in the first place.

 

Get armed and stay armed, because.......it is coming.

 

Statism and the dogmatic lunacy of bible-based fundie religionism, based on literalized myth and pseudepigraphical constructs having little or no empirical foundation in history, archaeology or demonstration by believers, are, as evidenced by the sordid histories of the bible-based religionists and socialist statists, two of the greatest evils and societal cancers the world will ever know.

 

K

[♦ nivek ♦]

'Nuther newsie to peruse on subject that did not make it to uS public sources:

 

 

Why "never again" recurred

Christian Science Monitor

 

"The genocide of Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica started, but did not

end, on July 11, 1995. It took eight days. On July 13, for example,

Serbian forces deported 20,000 thirsty and dazed women and children.

On July 16, Drazen Erdemovic of the 10th Sabotage Unit was ordered at

10 a.m. to shoot unarmed Muslim men brought by truck to a farm in

Branjevo. His squad shot a dozen at a time until 3 p.m., leaving 1,100

dead. So far, Mr. Erdemovic is the only foot soldier to plead guilty

for his action at the Yugoslavia war crimes tribunal here. Now 10

years later, many witnesses and survivors are eager to remind the

world that Srebrenica was not, as it is sometimes presented, an

isolated horror conducted by a clutch of crazy hillbillies -- nor

simply the worst slaughter in Europe in 50 years." (07/14/05)

 

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0714/p01s04-woeu.html

[BigToe]

Amanda- The NRA has a program called Women on Target. I bet you would be able to find somewhere near you that would have some sort of educational program run by them. Or if you can't find one, honestly it doesn't take a lot to learn. Go to a local shooting range and tell them you want to learn how to shoot a gun safely. They will either have an instructor there that could help or be able to point you in the right direction. I think it is VERY important that people know how to handle a gun, even if you never own one. If you know how to handle them safely, should you ever be in a situation where you need to use a gun for any reason- protection, hunting, even target shooting- you'll be able to do so in a manner that wont harm yourself or others.

[TruthWarrior]

Recently there was a free Christian news magazine I saw at the supermarket where I work that was actually trying to defend Miloshovic saying I guess how he got a bad rap or something.

[Amanda]

Amanda- The NRA has a program called Women on Target. I bet you would be able to find somewhere near you that would have some sort of educational program run by them. Or if you can't find one, honestly it doesn't take a lot to learn.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Thanks Big Toe! Yes, I'll check that out too! Because of the insights I got on this forum, I have already made arrangements to learn to handle a weapon. I found out I can borrow one of my mother's guns, the shooting range isn't far, I have offers from those who are familiar and responsible with guns to teach me, and now I'm just debating a full year membership at the shooting range, or pay as I go. I don't know which gun I will purchase yet, but I will. Thanks to everyone here for a clearer awareness of possible situations to be considered!

[Casey]

Then I think, what good will a semi auto rifle and pistol do against f-16s and Abrams tanks? So I don't do it.

 

With respect, what good were punjii spikes, primitive hunter's traps, and a variety of obsolete or obselescent weaponry in the hands of the Vietnamese against a modern American Army?

 

Sure, the Americans never suffered a military defeat in Vietnam, but they were defeated in the end. I should think the German Wehrmacht suffered very few military defeats at the hands of partisans or resistance forces either, but they too lost.

 

No soldier, no matter what Army he serves, has any more than one life. Tanks are not invulnerable either, as the Panzer driver Henry Mittelmann recalls in his memoirs of Stalingrad. "In the narrow streets, your Panzer became a magnet for all sorts of fire from small arms ... to Molotov Cocktails". There came a point when Mittelmann didn't much care for the odds any more.

 

It's a cliche, but I think it still bears repetition. "It's not the size of the dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dawg!"

Casey