MrSpooky Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 http://www.challenging-atheism.com/ Honesty critiques, please. And please please please don't flood. I hate it when people get all up in arms and flood an opposing board with LOLOLOLZUSUX!!!!!111eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimov Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I never flood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatically_challenged Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Challenging Atheism Discussion Board Is Atheism dangerous? If the claims of many atheists are true there is no God, we are not here by design and natural forces alone can account for why we exist and why there is a place for us to exist then it is not dangerous and is in fact helpful. If it can be certain such is the case no matter the philosophic consequence it is always better to know the truth than to believe a lie even if the lie may have more positive attributes. If the reality is we are just the result of chance and we are just accidental by- products of nature which have evolved relatively recently on an infinitesimal speck of dust lost somewhere in a hostile and mindless universe and which are doomed to perish individually and collectively in a relatively short time we should know that nothing really matters. That all things such as art, poetry, justice, morals, love and beauty are nothing more than arbitrary conventions of no significance and that our lives are meaningless and purposeless. After all what difference does it make if we perpetuate some sort of herd mentality, which we have no lasting stake in for the sake of perpetuating the gene pool? It would be important to know that even the most heinous of injustices are insignificant and meaningless since we are as sentient humans are the by products of fortuitous laws of physics and have no ‘right’ to be alive in the first place. I find that many atheists don’t subscribe to the notions I have underscored above. It is a strange dilemma that they want people to dismiss and reject the notions of God as nothing more than hearsay and yet don’ t find the intestinal fortitude to live by the philosophical ramifications of their own philosophy. However, unless the atheists can be certain of these claims and know with at least some certainty this is so then I think it can be dangerous. An example is the tyranny of governments that have operated under the assumption that atheism is true. Examples are the former Soviet Union and China where human rights and dignity are nearly non-existent. Particularly the woman of China who have for all practical purposes no right to be born and no sovereignty over their own bodies. They are told to procreate or terminate at will. What about theism? The same thing holds for theism if it is true. It doesn’t matter whether we like it or not or wish it wasn’t so the reality is if true we are here by design and for a purpose. Our lives are not our own to do as we please either are other peoples lives. We are here at the behest of a creator and not the result of a mindless process. Since there would be something greater than humanity no longer can humans be regarded as the ‘measure of all things’. The notion that we could have inalienable rights granted from a creator would be a reality and not merely a platitude. Our actions, system of justice, love and mercy can actually have meaning. There can be ultimate justice in the universe if those who commit evil are not punished here. Our lives may well extend beyond the physical life we experience here and have meaning beyond this short existence. The point is that the atheist has the greater responsibility to be right because of the ramifications of atheism if true. It is not enough to set themselves up as mere critics of theism and suppose that atheism has no effects in and of itself. Personally I think most atheists though not thinking a god exists have little reason or concern to persuade others of their own disbelief. I think some even indulge in some of the practices of various beliefs out of respect for the individuals who do. However not all are content with this, there are many websites that make an active mockery of belief in God. They don’t disagree with it for the sake of their own lives but feel compelled to point out the foolishness of those who do believe and act like they are performing a public service for the benefit of the people to ‘save’ them from thinking there is a God. They even go as far as to suggest that those who belief in God are the real danger to society. Yet when pressed to give an account of how the universe and sentient people came about apart from a creator they say they don’t have to give an account. They say they are making no claims. So they set themselves up as intellectual critics while offering no alternative in return. While promoting the bleakest philosophy imaginable they feel no compulsion to offer any evidence of its truth. Many feel that merely disparaging theism is sufficient to justify themselves. Do you think what I have written here is a bunch of baloney? Are all my premises mistaken and I am off on the wrong tangent? Am I misrepresenting atheists? Please come to the discussion board and be heard. This website encourages all to share opinions and ideas and challenge the thoughts of others including the author of this board. I am a bit of a hot head, so I won't visit this board at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Umm... okay. Quote:If you believe that the universe is akin to a monarchy, how could you live in the land of Democracy? Democracy is a function of prepersonal monarchy being fused with postpersonal, meaning that although we must abide by a specific code to sustain life we can also evolve codes to better suit individual liberties. Christianity attempts to apply this concept by providing an ultimate observation of Father-Son relationships. RiiIIIIIiiiiight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveL Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Sounds like an ambush. Can we all holds hands and go there together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ TexasFreethinker ☆ Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I joined. Don't know how much time I'll have to spend there, but I'll try to visit occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Not woth my time. But thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shy1680 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I just tried to read through some of this site, the guy needs to do a little more research on atheist and atheism. I was expecting a nice well written challenging arguement but this is horrible. Also his english teachers need to get smacked, im pathetic with grammer but he is just sad. Personally I think most atheists though not thinking a god exists have little reason or concern to persuade others of their own disbelief. I think some even indulge in some of the practices of various beliefs out of respect for the individuals who do. However not all are content with this, there are many websites that make an active mockery of belief in God. They don’t disagree with it for the sake of their own lives but feel compelled to point out the foolishness of those who do believe and act like they are performing a public service for the benefit of the people to ‘save’ them from thinking there is a God. They even go as far as to suggest that those who belief in God are the real danger to society. This is funny, I have never met an atheist who was trying to "save" me from believing in god. I dont understand how people cant see the danger in religion, have they looked around the world lately or turned on the news. Its not just Muslims doing insane things, Christians are killing each other and themselves off a lot more cause of those darn demons that are possessing them and those around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatically_challenged Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I just tried to read through some of this site, the guy needs to do a little more research on atheist and atheism. I was expecting a nice well written challenging arguement but this is horrible. Also his english teachers need to get smacked, im pathetic with grammer but he is just sad. This is funny, I have never met an atheist who was trying to "save" me from believing in god. I dont understand how people cant see the danger in religion, have they looked around the world lately or turned on the news. Its not just Muslims doing insane things, Christians are killing each other and themselves off a lot more cause of those darn demons that are possessing them and those around them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I could not give a squat if folks believe in god(s). Ain't no thang. It's certain religions that I maintain that people need saving from, non christian and christian alike. I feel kinda sorry for the guy, but I am to much of a hot head to have any dialog with this guy in his misconceptions of atheism. We are only atheist due to lack of belief and ideologies and religions are dangerous when folks can't question authority and are coerced to believe a certain way by superstitious institutions as well as by rulers. Atheism and Theism is irrevelant here. Religion and ideology is what can be damaging. We all were sold on an imaginary product for an imaginary problem all because we fear death. Thats why he can't understand that freedoms for every one can be maintained and valued due to reason and empathy. If we look within and filter out the garbage using reason and emapthy life can not only have meaning, but freedom will have a sturdy foundation due to what we all equally have in common as humans. The existence or non existence of gods is irrelevant to the things we all have in common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I read..actually, I joined, but made no comment. Actually I read for a couple of hours..kinda got caught up in it. The posts are way too long though. Not to the point, just drawn out. I also felt my frustration rising at the length of said posts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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