♦ nivek ♦ Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 For the persistant PM/e.mail correspondent who HATES my Pro Self Protection posts... Just for you. "Guns Save Lives"... kFL ***************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caretaker Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I approve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsy79 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I am going to change my "Any Gods" profile answer to Nivek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Broke Free Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 1) In a given year, how many innocent American lives were saved by having a gun as protection? 2) In a given year, how many innocent American lives were lost by guns bought for protection? I don’t own a gun because I honestly believe that #2 is more likely and I don’t want to add the problem even though I believe that my own safety would be enhanced by gun ownership. However I do not push for gun control because I don’t see a way to resolve the issue without even more bloodshed. The horses are out the barn and there is no way to get them back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abiyoyo Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Just for you. "Guns Save Lives"... Cold day in hell before they take my guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 19, 2009 Super Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2009 Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 1) In a given year, how many innocent American lives were saved by having a gun as protection? 2) In a given year, how many innocent American lives were lost by guns bought for protection? I don’t own a gun because I honestly believe that #2 is more likely and I don’t want to add the problem even though I believe that my own safety would be enhanced by gun ownership. However I do not push for gun control because I don’t see a way to resolve the issue without even more bloodshed. The horses are out the barn and there is no way to get them back in. May shed some numerical data to discussion Clayton Cramer's site Volokh Conspiracy Few resources on the Pro-use side. kL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I'm in favor of self-defense and the right to concealed-carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Broke Free Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 May shed some numerical data to discussion Clayton Cramer's site Volokh Conspiracy Few resources on the Pro-use side. kL Thank you Nivek for the links. I have read a bit so far and then did a web-search on these studies to see the opposition’s take on it. I guess I should not be surprised to find that proponents of both sides slant their findings to make them look good. Those arguing for more gun control made blanket statements about the suicide and murder rates in the homes of people who buy guns, but never said the actual gun was involved, which I thought was very misleading. Nivek, I am realist about guns. They are here and there is nothing I can do about it. If we started with a clean slate and guns were just invented then I would be gung-ho about disallowing their sale, but that is not the case. You obviously feel safer knowing you have access to guns and I don’t lose any sleep over knowing that “you” have guns. What concerns me are the people who should not have them. I don’t see any legal means of denying them access either. We can’t make a law that someone can’t have a gun because Dennis thinks they are whacko, so I just accept it. In nearly 49 years of life I have never seen a gun used (in real life) against another person. I am not going to starting worrying about it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 19, 2009 Super Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2009 In nearly 49 years of life I have never seen a gun used (in real life) against another person. Usually, you only get one chance to see it (if you are unarmed). I hope you never encounter the ultimate violent act, but the odds against it are increasing every year, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsmoke Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 You obviously feel safer knowing you have access to guns and I don’t lose any sleep over knowing that “you” have guns. What concerns me are the people who should not have them. "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Personally, I don't like guns anymore than you do. I don't own any, and I've no desire to. It's possible - probable, even - that, were I to purchase a gun and learn to use and maintain it properly I'd be statistically safer, but I've not seen sufficient evidence to convince me it would be necessary for my situation. Cliche as the above argument is, however, it's also true. Especially with today's technology enabling the dis- and reassembly of firearms both for ease of transport and getting around security measures, there's absolutely no practical way to prevent sufficiently motivated individuals from procuring them. In that case, I'm glad Kevin and others like him are allowed legal possession thereof as well, and that, were my feelings to change and I decide my situation does warrant the extra security measure, I'd have that option as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsmoke Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Exactly. IMO, the first and surest sign someone shouldn't have a gun is their treating it like a "cool toy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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