Max Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Have you ever noticed while flipping through channels, that you can tell immediately when you come upon a sermon? You don't have to look, or even catch anything that is said - you can tell just by the tone and cadence. The guy could be reading stock quotes - "And I SAW [pause] that EX-xon had FALL-en [pause] TWO point-s..." Do they teach this in preacher school? What sort of dialect is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitchu Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Max, I remember a thread some many weeks ago that dealt with the psychological dynamics, and many other aspects, of preacher-speak, but I haven't a clue what it was called. Was ericf involved in it? Does anyone else remember this? My Daddy was an Arkansas Pentecostal preacher who was a master of the cadences. (Then, happily for me, he dropped the cadences and became an atheist.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Pitchu, I left a note about Verbal Judo, a system taught to cops and prosecutors that may be the current ultimate in confession causation. Used by *expert interrogators* it is talking and listening skills that will have Mother Theresa admitting to murder, and boy_fracking_howdy quick.. kL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitchu Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Pitchu, I left a note about Verbal Judo, a system taught to cops and prosecutors that may be the current ultimate in confession causation. Used by *expert interrogators* it is talking and listening skills that will have Mother Theresa admitting to murder, and boy_fracking_howdy quick.. kL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, nivek! I remember it! Just that link, alone, might enlighten (or frighten) Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashy Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Have you ever noticed while flipping through channels, that you can tell immediately when you come upon a sermon? You don't have to look, or even catch anything that is said - you can tell just by the tone and cadence. The guy could be reading stock quotes - "And I SAW [pause] that EX-xon had FALL-en [pause] TWO point-s..." Do they teach this in preacher school? What sort of dialect is this? It's the white man's version of southern black preaching. I've never seen an excited, enthusiastic television preacher that didn't sound like he was from the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Here is another good link. The Battle For Your Mind Read it, and understand it. Once you do, you will learn to recognize it when it happens. The "Voice Roll" Technique A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ TexasFreethinker ☆ Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 This is called "pulpit voice" or "pulpit speaking" in the Southern Baptist denomination and it's still being taught in seminary... PRCHG 4443 (4444) Voice and Speech Improvement The course will emphasize the care and training of the speaking voice and will deal with vocal improvement of individual students. It will consider the basic speech process, efficient vocal production, oral interpretation, and standards of articulation and pronunciation for pulpit speaking. Three hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aexapo Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 It's the white man's version of southern black preaching. I've never seen an excited, enthusiastic television preacher that didn't sound like he was from the south. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And it's almost always a preacher from the Pentecostal/Charismatic persuasion. Over at Ex-P, we had pretty much come to the conclusion that the whole damn Penty movement was sort of like Jazz -- another aspect of culture that we whities has borrowed from the African-American experience (the early Penty churches were almost always inter-racial). Can I get an Amen? E-ko-shandalamo-ha-sie! Speaking of voices, at the Apostolic (Oneness) variety pentecostal churches I was raised it, they would have this thing called "tongues and interpretation" where one person would interrupt service, stand, and start speaking in tongues loudly (the audience would die to a hush). Another person would stand, and start "interpreting" the "message from God," and this would invariably be in some sort of Southern-style Middle English, as if God speaks exactly like they do in the King James Version of the Bible (when read by Southerners -- sans the British accent). "Yea, I say unto thee, my children, harken to my voice. I will draw nigh unto you if you draw nigh unto me! Forsake me not, o my children, for in the last hour I will forget thee, as surely as you now forgetteth me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luck Mermaid Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 wow that is fascinating - I had read that cops tried to use certain tactics, the classic being good cop / bad cop . And how cops and interrogators would sometimes get you to try to confess by telling you to confess to something small and then working up to something bigger, and that people can confess even if they haven't done anything. But I wasn't aware of the hypnotizing and all that. This world sucks. It'sworse than just about any scary fright for teens book that I read growing up. It's worse even than VC Andrews' nightmare books of constant loss and slow oppression. I hate the million ways that suffering exists, my knowledge and ideas of how suffering can exist grow as I do - or maybe I'm just remembering ways to suffer and feelings of suffering I forgot as a child or from a past life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamandham Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 This world sucks. It'sworse than just about any scary fright for teens book that I read growing up. It's worse even than VC Andrews' nightmare books of constant loss and slow oppression. I hate the million ways that suffering exists, my knowledge and ideas of how suffering can exist grow as I do Embrace the horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhampir Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Come to the pulpit -hah-. COME TO THE PULPIT! -hah- If y' not sure about y' salvaaaation -hah- Then y'probably not saved -hah- The Lord said -hah- Open the doah, -hah-, and I shall come in unto thee -hah- And I shall dwell in thee -hah- Haaaaaaaaaaeey haaay! Can I get an amen? Oh, y'all not with me. Y'all not with me. [Wipes brow, sweating profusely, although the room is -120 degrees with the state of the art air conditioning.] That's just about every babtist preacher I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortunehooks Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 dhampir, that is exactly how they do it on t.v. always with a pause and a hah. i think it's necessary preacher speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 With a booming divine voice and a rule not to reveal soles in their socks. AS in revealing your soul.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dragonblade Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Ohhh, I do so miss the Hellfire and Damnation preachers. While sitting under their hypnotic sway you could feel the fires of hell on the back of your neck, and you just knew Satan was reaching out for you right there where you sat ready to drag you off to the bottomless pit if you didn't go forward to the altar and confess your horrendous sins (even if you hadn't commited any) and be washed in the precious Blood of the Lamb before the altar call was closed. And if you were foolish enough to put off going forward until another time, the Devil would kill you as soon as you left the building. Where are the champions of God, those few fortunate souls who has God's ear in all matters, those who loved God (and us unworthy sinners) enough to slam you upside your head with the Good Book, and then go home and have a drink while jacking off to porn on the cable? Where are those victors in Christ who loved to catch a glimpse of the white cotton triangles peeking out from underneath the dresses of the pretty girls on the front pews, while telling us how much pain we would suffer in the eternal fires of everlasting Hell? Stick your holy sword of God down my throat pastor and release the salvation of the Lamb into my unworthy stomach. Spread me upon the altar of redemption, cast aside your robes holy man of God, grease up thy nail and crucify my unworthy flesh. Burn me, righteous Father, burn my soul for the kindom of God's sake. Forever and ever...amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroikaze Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Ohhh, I do so miss the Hellfire and Damnation preachers. While sitting under their hypnotic sway you could feel the fires of hell on the back of your neck, and you just knew Satan was reaching out for you right there where you sat ready to drag you off to the bottomless pit if you didn't go forward to the altar and confess your horrendous sins (even if you hadn't commited any) and be washed in the precious Blood of the Lamb before the altar call was closed. And if you were foolish enough to put off going forward until another time, the Devil would kill you as soon as you left the building. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What are you talking about? The first two rules that theses preachers try to bang into your head are 1. You always have sins to confess 2. If you seem to have no sins to confess see rule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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