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Just wanted to share and excellent 3 part article that I found this morning at ABC's archives.

 

Part 1 of 3 http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s766064.htm

 

Part 2 of 3 http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s771288.htm

 

Part 3 of 3 http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s775421.htm

 

Pretty good stuff here, including goddess worship instead of a male god.

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Really neat. Makes Me wish we got the Australian abc rather than the american one which would never have the balls to show such a program.

 

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Time to play devil's advocate

 

What did the prophet Jeremiah mean when he denounced the "Torah" - which we know as the Five Books of Moses - as "lies from the false pen of scribes"?

 

The scripture, in context, is refferring to people who would pretend to be following the Israelite religion but would worship other gods, etc. and basically only give the bible god "lip service". It condemns such actions.

 

It is being said that there is no evidence at all to show that David and Solomon rules Israel from Jerusalem - or that their great kingdom even existed!

 

That is incorrect - at the very least, the Tel Dan Stele establishes the Davidic family as being a monarchy in 800 b.c.e.

 

At the British Museum he is told that there is no evidence for the ancient Israelites, so he goes to find out.

 

Depends on how ancient you want to go back. there is evidence dating to at least the 9th century b.c.e. of existence of the Israelites, but I don't think there is any older than that.

 

Rabbi Dr. Jonathan Magonet explains that a number of Hebrew words are translated as "God". One such term, the word used in the first sentence of the Book of Genesis, is a plural.

 

Many Hebrew words are used with a "plural" ending but are used in a singular form. Some words don't even have a "singular" version. You can tell whether a word is singular or plural based on the surrounding grammar.

 

Professor William Dever says it is now known that the Israelites worshipped several gods including a goddess, Ashera, and Diana Edelman says that she was a widely worshipped fertility goddess. Dever tells John that when he first discovered an Israelite inscription proving that Ashera was being worshipped he was afraid to publish it, and kept it secret until others found more evidence that the God of the Israelites did have a Goddess as a consort.

 

This isn't anything new at all. It's all over the bible (though condemened by the "prophets" in the bible)

 

On the track of more evidence of Israelite religion, John is taken by Zvi Lederman to the fortress of Arad, where a full-size Temple has been discovered - the only one ever found from the Kingdom of Judah. Although strikingly devoid of images, it appears to contain evidence of the worship of more than one deity

 

The only one? There's the one in Jerusalem, the one on Mt. Gezerim, and another one (i can't remember the location). Outside of Israel, you also have the Elaphantine Temple.

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