EdwardAbbey Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 If Christians know so much about eternity and what life will be like after death then why don’t they ever seem to know anything about the life before they were born? If the soul is eternal then it must have been alive and conscious before birth, during physical life and after death, so why can’t Christians tell us what it was like before they were born? If Christians say they didn’t exist before birth than what is the difference in that and non-existence after death? Isn’t that a contradiction in their beliefs? If they say they didn’t exist before birth, then what makes them think or believe they will exist after death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotter Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 There are two Christian camps: one believes that the soul is there before the person was born, and God assigns this soul and this body. The other camp is that the soul is created the moment the fetus is conceived. Not speaking for Christians, I tend to believe the first option makes more sense. That the soul goes through experiences as “education”. Not agreeing with Christians, eternal hell fire does not make sense, as pertaining to the question’s perspective: - The soul is always there, then the soul is assigned a life on earth, after earthly life death, back to Heaven or eternal hell fire, a 50/50 thing the soul was originally happy in Heaven, assigned to go through a 50/50 roulette wheel, and 50% chance the soul ends up in eternal hell - The soul was never there, created without the soul’s own “willingness”, assigned to when a fetus is conceived (and let’s avoid the complications of topic of abortion), goes through a 50/50 ending up in Heaven or Hell not fair, the soul has no say in the beginning, to be created, to be assigned…..Christian apologetic of a person chooses hell out of “freewill” doesn’t do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 If Christians know so much about eternity and what life will be like after death then why don’t they ever seem to know anything about the life before they were born? If the soul is eternal then it must have been alive and conscious before birth, during physical life and after death, so why can’t Christians tell us what it was like before they were born? If Christians say they didn’t exist before birth than what is the difference in that and non-existence after death? Isn’t that a contradiction in their beliefs? If they say they didn’t exist before birth, then what makes them think or believe they will exist after death? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Excellent line of thinking. They usually won't go there, won't justify it, can't comprehend it and usually just dismiss it with some standard bumper sticker disclaimer or other. But to actually ever THINK about what they've shut you up with an answer, nope. Maybe they try and go TILT, then just back off and forget about it. Soul before birth points to Reincarnation, doesn't it? But they don't believe in Reincarnation and can't explain why Jesus thought John was Elijah, and who did someone think Jesus was? But that's not reincarnation, that's 'the spirit of'... gee.. sounds like reincarnation to me. Every discussion about OT, NT, life, the universe and everything, usually ends up on Dead End streets. They can only go so far before you either stump them and piss them off, or they just throw back taught bumper sticker hand waving sayings to dismiss and retreat. It seems like if you get a Christian to Think, they end up HERE. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 If Christians know so much about eternity and what life will be like after death then why don’t they ever seem to know anything about the life before they were born? If the soul is eternal then it must have been alive and conscious before birth, during physical life and after death, so why can’t Christians tell us what it was like before they were born? If Christians say they didn’t exist before birth than what is the difference in that and non-existence after death? Isn’t that a contradiction in their beliefs? If they say they didn’t exist before birth, then what makes them think or believe they will exist after death? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But if matter is neither created nor destroyed, and every soul lives eternally once Created, at Conception, then there's an AWEFUL lot of eternal souls floating about the heaven and hell regions, eh? Everything in life seems to have ebb and flow, recycling, tides, a limited amount of X Y and Z contained within our atmospheric bubble. The air we just inhaled has content that was exhaled from other beings, since the planet had atmosphere. Where's this soul manufacturing colony? And how can they keep printing up and assigning new ones? To me it makes the most sense if we're all recycled.... or we don't have an energy 'life force' that Enters us (and therefore existing some how before us) and then lasts forever After that. So I'd say IF 'something' that we are that causes us to be more than just a blood pumping thinking machine lasts Forever After, it had to have been around before, too. Or there is none, and we just can't comprehend it any other way. I try to remember that most people who only consider the bible and their teaching from day one to be the only facts of life also grew up believing in Santa, the tooth fairy, Satan, Easter Bunny, etc. Some of them still do, in various ways. People seem to easily dig at other people, but they're scared and very very afraid to examine their beliefs too deeply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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