Dibllsmek Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'd like to know. If I was a god, I'd rather just tell everyone I exist, then let things play out from their. I'd think I'd be so much above everyone else and not care who loves me or not. But why, other than "not existing", would a god need faith? Am I really suppose to believe that some guy, who I've only ever read about. Why would I blindly follow someone who "loves everyone" then drowns them in a slow, painful death? Wouldn't it be simpler to just strike them dead, If i loved them so much? I'm confusing myself. You get the point, get to discussing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadedAtheist Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 <Christian apologetics> Hebrews 11:6: And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. </Christian apologetics> The whole conception of "faith" was the result of the lack of evidence. When people realized there was no physical evidence for their gods they either made evidence up, or in the case of Christianity, changed gears. *uhhh...yeah...the reason that...uhhh.. there's no evidence is uh...because.....uhh...uhh...uh...because..because God wants faith! That's it! There we go! It's because he wants us to blindly believe. That must be the reason for no evidence for him!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Faith is like viagra for god. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted March 10, 2011 Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2011 Quote: ''Why would I blindly follow someone who "loves everyone" then drowns them in a slow, painful death?'' If I were God.................It would be all about love.............But is isn't................... Does god live up to the 'fruits' of the spirit or 'love'? you will fully know them by their fruits.............................. Matthew 7:17-20 (AMP) The fruit of the Spirit is stated in Galatians 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Then there is the scriptures on 'Love': 1 Corinthians 13: 3 -8 3. If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it, but if I didn't love others, I would be of no value whatsoever. 4. Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5. or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. 6. It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. 8. Love will last forever Far as I can see - He doesn't live up to any of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzy Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Good point. The whole concept of faith is stupid. We are supposed to have faith in God because other people (and of course different denominations say different things) and unreliable acient scriptures say so. And our eternal life is supposed to depend on this. What a "great", "loving" and "wise" God it is who created this system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted March 10, 2011 Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2011 Good point. The whole concept of faith is stupid. We are supposed to have faith in God because other people (and of course different denominations say different things) and unreliable acient scriptures say so. And our eternal life is supposed to depend on this. What a "great", "loving" and "wise" God it is who created this system! It's emails like this one I just received in my 'inbox' that get right on my friggin' nerves! And I have to spend 2 hours with this pastors wife doing her hair next week! No wonder I could hang myself some days!! My whole clientèle is filled with these christians! I have to listen to this bullshit all day! From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:27 AM Subject: me and my hair Hi Margee: I have been praying for you ever since you told me of the loss of your dear best friend. We had a 31-year old teacher die in a car accident last week here at school - grief is hard to deal with and this was a sad one also. She had two little boys. Anyway, God will work it all out. Hope you are doing okay. See you next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovemybrain Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Anyway, God will work it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Valk0010 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Faith, its called control, when you visit that realm you need to make it stay together, so concepts like faith are created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discern Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 But why, other than "not existing", would a god need faith? It's such a convenient excuse, don't you think? Just like these ones: - If the person didn't get healed, you just have to have more faith, or maybe it's just not God's will - If you see a supposed contradiction in the bible, just trust God. After all, it's His word, and who are we to question it? - If you go through a hard time, it's because God allowed it for the overall good - An evil generation seeks a sign (that one's from the Man himself) - God doesn't work Old Testament miracles today because of people's unbelief, or because Jesus has come and now people just need to believe in Him instead. So much of the concepts in the bible twist things around and try to place the onus on US. In some form or another, WE'RE not doing enough to allow God to show himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Faith and belief is needed because that's how it works with magical things. It's the same for horoscope or when seers read your future in your palm. It's all based on your gullibility... sorry, I mean, faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 God needs faith because it's the only way He (er... His representatives), can get their hands on our bank accounts and drain them as quickly as they possibly can. The Bible even tells us that those who fail to tithe are stealing from god (Malachi 3:8) (always be very skeptical of any god who accuses humans of stealing his money!) Prophets = PROFITS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 You'd think the all-powerful, omnipotent creator of the universe wouldn't be so insecure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerScott Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I think one of my biggest realizations after becoming an atheist is that faith is not confidence. I can have "faith" in myself to do well on my physics test in two weeks, but do I have confidence? Some . Confidence is based on ability (or lack of ability) to face what will really happen in a given circumstance. Faith is not based on ability because it is based on belief.Gods need faith because they wouldn't thrive on confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
★ Citsonga ★ Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I think one of my biggest realizations after becoming an atheist is that faith is not confidence. I can have "faith" in myself to do well on my physics test in two weeks, but do I have confidence? Some . Confidence is based on ability (or lack of ability) to face what will really happen in a given circumstance. Faith is not based on ability because it is based on belief.Gods need faith because they wouldn't thrive on confidence. Yet I couldn't have faith in something that I didn't have confidence in. Hmmm.... Anyway, "faith" is a useful tool for a religious institution, but it really doesn't make any sense for an actual omnipotent deity. Why would an omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent being hide himself from those whom he desperately wants to believe in him? Why would such an omnipotent being have to be dependent on fallible humans to do his bidding for him? After removing the religious blinders, the whole concept of "faith" in "God" clearly makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petunia Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 But why, other than "not existing", would a god need faith? It's such a convenient excuse, don't you think? Just like these ones: - If the person didn't get healed, you just have to have more faith, or maybe it's just not God's will - If you see a supposed contradiction in the bible, just trust God. After all, it's His word, and who are we to question it? - If you go through a hard time, it's because God allowed it for the overall good - An evil generation seeks a sign (that one's from the Man himself) - God doesn't work Old Testament miracles today because of people's unbelief, or because Jesus has come and now people just need to believe in Him instead. So much of the concepts in the bible twist things around and try to place the onus on US. In some form or another, WE'RE not doing enough to allow God to show himself. Yes to all of the above! It makes no sense and is so wishy washy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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