MQTA Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 ----------------- Prayer The following is one of the most important paragraphs you will ever read! Prayer is a religious BELIEF. To the Clear Thinker, it is the most illogical and unbelievable belief taught by religion. The concept of prayer deletes and goes against all the teachings about all the Gods in all the religions. The teachings in all the holy books tell the believer who God is, what his attributes are and what he does. Yet, the concept of prayer disputes all the other attributes and claims made about all the Gods in all the holy books. If the claims made for prayer by the believers are true, then the claims about the attributes of the Gods in the holy books are false. Now read it again slowly - and think about it! ---------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 from the same page [ quote] To pray means to ask, to petition, to solicit, to plead or to beg. In other words, to pray is to beg. So, those who pray are beggars. They beg from the perfect and good, the wise, knowing, just, powerful, and present One. The believers lift their voices to this perfect, just God and they beg. They beg for wisdom. They beg for Aunt Mary to get well. They beg for God to run Castro out of Cuba, and they beg for food. They beg for rain or sunshine. They beg for guidance and they beg to be loved by someone. They beg for their enemies to be defeated. They beg for health and for victory in war, or on the sports field. They beg for knowledge and a raise in their pay. They beg protection for themselves and their families. They beg to win the lottery. That is to say, they beg for: wisdom without using Honest Clear Thinking, wealth without work, health without good habits, food without farming, eternal life without enjoying this one, happiness without heartache, love without being lovable, safety without being cautious, strength without straining, victory without being valiant, forgiveness without restitution, knowledge without honest studying, success without experience and on endlessly. The purpose of prayer is for the begging believer to get SOMETHING FOR NOTHING from their wise and just God. In fact, the whole idea and attitude of prayer is that the beggar can convince or intrigue God in some way to give the beggar something for nothing, just by begging for it. [/unquote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 [q] CAN PRAYER CHANGE GOD'S MIND? If prayer does indeed change God's mind, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH GOD'S ORIGINAL JUST AND WISE PLAN OF ACTION? Doesn't God always do what is just and best and right? Doesn't God know what he is doing? If not, do the religious believers worship a God who often does NOT do what is best and right unless believers pray and correct him? Must God be constantly "tempted" through the prayers of the religious believers to forsake his own wisdom and do what they wish him to do? Do the believers hope God will forget his responsibility and pledge to do what is just and right? Does God follow the orders of these less-wise? Is God wishy-washy? Is God an errand boy for the believers? On the other hand, if God always does what is just and best and right, why do the believers constantly bombard him with selfish request to do otherwise? That is, to do what they wish him to do? Or, to put it another way, why do the religious believers seek to beguile God into doing what is NOT just and best and right? If God listens to the less-wise and selfish requests and obeys the selfish requests of the believers, do the religious not worship a God who makes errors? That is, he goes against his OWN wise counsel and follows the counsel of the misled and selfish religious person. Is this not an error on God's part to answer these thoughtless and selfish requests? [/q] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 just some highlights from that page. fft for here. [q] PRAYER IS THE MOST BELITTLING AND THE GREATEST INSULT TO GOD IN RELIGION! Why is it that the religious believers do not TRUST their God to make wise decisions? Why is it the religious believers think they have enough wisdom to advise God about health, weather, war, politics, food, institutions, marriage and yes, even religion? WHY DO THE RELIGIOUS BELIEVERS NOT TRUST THEIR GODS? Does anyone actually expect God to forsake his own wise course of action and substitute the friendly beggar's request? Can friendship be used to bribe God to do something different than his own wise counsel dictates? Can God be blackmailed with good works? Does God take anyone's counsel but his own? Does God run errands for the believers? Why do believers think that if they pray long enough and hard enough they can worry God into doing their bidding? If there is a God, he is wise and just. He is going to do what HE decides is best and all the begging in the world will not add one extra rain drop, one field goal or one ear of corn. The very ACT of prayer proves, those who pray do not trust their Gods to do what is best, what is right and what is just. They seek to correct their God's mistakes, either before he makes them or after he makes them. [/q] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 from the next page Prayer 2 Children are taught (read - brain washed) to pray almost before they can talk. So let us look at giving thanks to God as a form of prayer. "God is great, God is good and we thank him for our food." How about these? "Santa Claus is great, Santa Claus is good and we thank him for our toys." "The Green Giant is great, the Green Giant is good and we thank him for our peas." "Walter Cronkite is great, Walter Cronkite is good and we thank him for our news." All of this sounds silly doesn't it? So, what is the point? SILLY, IS THE POINT. The point is this. Where are all the deserved thanks for the nursery that raised the seeds for the farmer to plant? Where are the thanks for the farmer and all of his helpers who made the food possible? And how about the tractor people, and the pickers, and the fertilizer people, and the truckers, and the wholesale warehouse, and the bank that loaned the farmer the money to buy the seed and labor? What about thanks for the storeowner and the workers in it, and what about daddy who paid for it? And don't forget mama who cooked it with loving hands. God has stolen a large amount of thanks and credit from others who deserve it. Isn't it about time that we begin to thank those around us for their contribution to our happiness and welfare? God must be shame-faced with such injustices of heaping praise upon him when other good people deserve that praise. An old, old story illustrates this point. The minister was getting on to the farmer for bragging so much about what a great farmer he was and what great things he had achieved with the land he earlier purchased. "You must give God credit,” the minister told the farmer. The reply was classic. "Preacher, you should have seen the terrible mess this farm was in when God had it all by himself." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 [q] Has anyone stopped to think logically about the concept of prayer? We see an all-just God simply could not answer any prayer, which was not his own original JUST plan. In addition, we see that any attempt to get God to act differently than he originally planned to act, is an attempt to blackmail, bribe or tempt God. Any attempt to change God's mind is to insult and belittle him and proves the beggar does not trust his God to do what is right, what is just, and what is best. Also, anyone who says he can change God's mind is a fraud and liar. Anyone who says YOU can change God's mind is telling an untruth and is not worthy of being accepted as truthful. Besides, would you really wish to worship a God whose mind could be changed back and forth from his perfect wisdom and justice and be made to do what some selfish, lazy, begging Tom, Dick or Jane asked him to do? If you are honest, I think not. If you have been a religious beggar, isn't it time to stop belittling and insulting your God? Let him know you trust him. Stop asking him to give you something for nothing! If you are religious, why not trust your God to do what is right and just? Stop trying to run the world for him. Prayer is a deceptive superstition that says a person can get something for nothing if he will just beg long enough and hard enough. Prayer is an exercise in non-thinking. Prayer, as presented to us in the Bible, is an exercise in slavery-hood. Prayer is a lie. But worst of all, Prayer belittles the Almighty God. Almighty God is not an errand boy, nor does he wait on a consensus of public opinion before he acts to carry out HIS plan. As I said in the first paragraph of this paper: Prayer is a religious BELIEF. To the Clear Thinker, it is the most illogical and unbelievable belief taught by religion. The concept of a begging prayer to a just and good God goes against all the teachings about all the Gods in all the religions. The teachings in the holy books tell the believer who God is, what his attributes are and what he does. Yet, the concept of prayer disputes ALL the claims made about all the Gods in all the holy books. If the claims for prayer are true, then all the claims about the attributes of the Gods in the holy books are false. [/q] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 I was praying someone would comment. LOL Guess prayer doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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