ATHEISM IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS

[Fweethawt]

I was thinking that this might get a bit of a discussion going.

 

 

Copyright: 9/23/04

Updated: 01/12/05

 

 

ATHEISM IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS

 

We are talking about men (and women) who love and search for truth in all things, civil and spiritual. Long before these men who sought to find out the truth in all areas of life, and long before they antagonized the leaders of the church, they were called scientists and philosophers. They were extended great respect by both those who were educated and by the church. All true science is philosophy and all true philosophy is science. The literal Greek meaning of the word, philosophy, is “The Love of Wisdom.”

 

Atheism is a philosophy! It is a way of thinking, a way of researching and arriving at an honest conclusion! It is not only a way of thinking; it is also a way of living. Atheism is not just a philosophy. Atheism is philosophy. Atheism equals philosophy. All true Atheists are philosophers. All true Atheists are lovers of and seekers after truth.

 

True philosophy was, and is, composed of seekers after the truth about nature, the mysteries of life and the universe. Atheism was, and is, the science of searching for the truth in all things. These men were reverent, spiritual and honest. Honesty coupled with diligent research is the only way to arrive at the truth of any matter.

 

Atheism of today is still composed of these same high types of men and women. They still use honest research, philosophy, experimentation and honest thinking in order to find and understand the mysteries of life. Atheism is the method of scientific investigation and logical thinking, which leads to honest conclusions. It is a process. Atheism is the love of wisdom and knowledge. Atheism is always looking for the truth in all things.

 

Western Atheism was not born as a revolt against God, the church, or its teachings. Neither was it started because of the tyranny and suppression of truth by the religions. In fact, Atheism is a rather late nametag given this philosophy by the church. When religion found itself unable to refute the findings and conclusions of these men of wisdom and science, it began at once to demonize them.

 

These men began to discover the truth about the spiritual claims of religion. The light of that truth exposed the false teaching and false claims of religion. The sincerity of these men demanded that the false and untrue be exposed and separated from the true. Honest scrutiny and Clear Thinking contains both the desire and the ability find and to point out lies and dishonesty. This honesty, coupled with their research and curiosity, enabled these seekers after truth to arrive at conclusions, which protected them from the untruths and lies of religion. These men pointed out that this honesty and scrutiny could also protect all mankind from these deceptions, falsehoods and destructive forces - if they learn to think. They launched a program to teach men how to research, how to shed their biases, and how to think honestly.

 

Before this philosophy was called Atheism, it looked and searched for truth in all of nature. Soon, this philosophy looked at religion and found many lies and dishonesty there. It found great harm, deception and tyranny at religion’s very roots. The ability to separate fact from fiction, and truth from tall tales was the basis upon which these men differed from the average religious and gullible mankind. This ability to find and apply justice and truth to any matter is the cement that holds society and civilization together. It is this very ability to separate fact from fiction that society uses to rid itself from those ideas, movements, claims, and people who are harmful and detrimental to the harmony and civilizing process of mankind. So, honesty, common sense and the love of humanity demanded that these men expose religion for the disunity and anti civilizing process that it is.

 

Atheism is the method of using an honest analytical examination of the known facts about a matter. It is the way of thinking which eliminates preconceived ideas and beliefs and pursues only the facts of the matter. It then forms conclusions based on those facts. Always, Atheism seeks to harmonize its conclusions with both the true facts of the matter and with good acceptable morality. Atheism is not disbelief in a God any more than it is disbelief in Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny. God, Santa Claus and religion are nothing but subjects to be studied in order to ascertain the facts about them. If new fact are brought forward proving a God exists, then Atheism would conclude that Gods do exist.

 

This philosophy should not be labeled by its conclusion that there is no religious God, as religion claims. Rather, Atheism is the scientific method used to reach those honest and reliable conclusions about all of life. These people should be labeled as Clear Thinkers and philosophers – not Atheist.

 

There was great fear and hostility in the church leadership when these honest philosophical thinkers began to turn their research and investigations toward those things called spiritual and religious. When these men began to find out that the teachings of the church were untrue, unspiritual and retarded the very civilizing process of man, and indeed, retarded personal spiritual growth, they did what all courageous men would do. They began to inform people that they were being told and taught harmful lies by religion.

 

At that time the church went on a rampage and sought to kill or imprison these honest clear thinking men. The church sought to remove from the face of the earth any writings or information disseminated by these men of science and philosophy. In addition, they sought to give these men a derogatory label and nametag, which would scare their church followers into persecuting these men. This nametag would also place prejudice and fear in the minds of all mankind. The church declared that these honest clear thinkers were the enemy of their God, and as such, they must be destroyed. They must, therefore, be labeled as “Atheists.” The term “Atheist” or “Atheism” that the church gave these honest men of science and philosophy - is a lie.

 

Thus, our dictionaries carry on this lie of the church, which claims that Atheism is the disbelief in God. To someone who believes in another God, you are an Atheist to him because you find no proof for the existence of his God. In fact, if there were only one hundred religions, and therefore, one hundred God concepts, you reject ninety-nine of them and accept only one. That means you are ninety-nine percent in agreement with the Atheists who reject all of them. Why? Atheists have researched and found that men made up the religious Gods. If proof is brought forward showing that a God exists, then Atheists would conclude, Gods do exist. Atheists are willing to face the truth head on. Religion is not.

 

That is how these wonderful, intelligent and honest men were labeled as Atheists. Though the church did its best to destroy these men, there were enough good people who hid and protected them. As fast as they wrote, the church hunted and destroyed their writings. Some were burned at the stake or beheaded if they were found in possession of some of these writings. To be labeled as an Atheist was to make one a criminal in the eyes of the church, and in the eyes of the governments, which the churches also controlled.

 

WHAT WERE SOME OF THE TRUTHS THESE MEN WERE FINDING OUT?

 

What is “IS.” Atheism hunts, respects and uses truth from all aspects of nature. They declared that if something happens, it is a part of the natural laws of the universe. If it happens it “IS.” Atheism sought to explain unusual happenings by examining their causes and effects. Thus, all the claimed miracles of religion were brought into question. What works, “WORKS.” There are many unusual happenings and they began to investigate these happenings. They often found these happenings were either lies or had natural explanations. The real problem was the wrong elements (God and prayer, or the Devil and evil) often got the credit for these happenings while the real natural motivators or manipulators often went unnoticed. Atheism sought to point these errors out to men. Atheism is also science at work.

 

Esoteric (spiritual) teachings, claims, and happenings are a part of life to be honestly examined by this philosophy of Atheism. What transpires in the mind and emotions of man is as important as what transpires in the physical body of man, or in the physical universe. Thus, religion, gods, prayer, miracles, devils, sin, salvation, heavens, hells, and such are all a part of the esoteric, and were to be examined honestly by these honest clear thinking men.

 

I have not been initiated into any secret society. Any truth I have discovered has been the result of research and much deep honest thought. It has been a delight to find others who have found some of these same truths, and I would suspect some of them have been members of societies which do pass these things down from generation to generation - in secret. This secrecy among these philosophers and scientists has been necessary due to the hostility of religious superstitions, which seeks to destroy those who expose and shine the light of truth and facts on their frauds and lies.

 

All religions and philosophies have much original truth in them. Most often, these truths are hidden from the casual and un-tuned eye. These original truths are often twisted and elaborated on by “religious leaders” for their own selfish advantage. They seek to twist the original truths in order to introduce their own personal agendas. Sometimes they do not even know what they are talking about. These “leaders” expound on their own ideas to the exclusion and masking of the original truth and information. They have even rewritten the original writings and texts to conform to their own beliefs, aims and ambitions.

 

The purpose of these ancient real truths of life, and the utility of these truths were often hidden or disguised by these philosophers. “Do not cast your pearls before swine.” is an esoteric philosophic statement and refers to the knowledge, wisdom and practices of the wise. To inform the swine (ignorant and misguided believers) would be to give them truths and powers that would be misused in behalf of extending their ignorance and errors to others. Integrity (honesty and justice) is the foundation for all of the esoteric teachings of all the ancient and wise men. One could not be informed or know the wisdom and truths of the ancients until he was found to be worthy of wisely using those truths. Initiation and training into the mysteries was always necessary in order to prepare the student to properly preserve and proliferate these teachings.

 

There is an Attitude of Wisdom one must cultivate before he begins to see the edges of many wonderful and helpful truths. Sometimes this Attitude is also called “The Spirit of Wisdom” and is often personified in many writings. Godly names or spiritual names are often used to identify this Attitude. Those who search using this Attitude are often called the “Children of Light.” They have also been called “The Elect” and “The Children of God.” The church has called these philosophers and wise men, Atheists. The esoteric truths they hunt for are often called the “Pearl of great price,” the “Sanctuary,” or the “Church.” These truths have also been referred to as the “Divine Mysteries.”

 

To be a seeker after truth, one must develop awareness, and a discernment of these things and look for clues in the writings of philosophers and wise men. To do this one must eliminate his prejudices and biases. Only then does he become free to learn. Like a newborn baby, he must start with zero. “Born again” is also hidden esoteric wisdom. “Born again” means he clears his mind and is ready to begin a new life of wisdom and knowledge. He must become autonomous, never trusting or leaning on authority. He must learn to think, question and use honest doubt on every important claim of life. He must become a scientist of life. He must know the true history of mankind. If he does all this, the church calls him an Atheist. Why? The lie is always fearful of the truth, and seeks to demonize truth and the truth teller.

 

As one develops and grows (like a “mustard seed”) in this new Attitude and state of honesty and awareness, he will find it produces a whole new sympathy and concern for mankind. He will “love his neighbor as himself.” He will become actively engaged in fighting those ideas, institutions and pressures which dumb down man’s mind, man’s will and man’s integrity. In other words, he will become like those early wise men who were first called Atheists.

 

An Atheist is one who has wrestle authority away from those religious and political professionals who would make him a slave to their own programs, thinking and purposes. An Atheist is one who has accepted both the authority of his own research, and the conclusions of his own mind. He never stops learning and will change his conclusions in light of new facts. He has accepted full responsibility for his own actions. He will never let someone else pay for his “sins.”

 

An Atheist is one who has dedicated himself to search for the truth in all matters that interest him. An Atheist is one who is constantly in turmoil and grieves at the injustices and dishonesty of the community, the government, the religions, and the world in which he lives. An Atheist is one who thinks that justice does not belong to some organization or group. He knows justice is not someone’s private property. He concludes that justice should be extended to all men and women. An Atheist is one who has the courage to confront the lies and frauds of religion, politics and business. An Atheist is one who seeks to inform you of these harmful hazards of today. An Atheist is one who, after his day’s work is done, can sleep well at night.

 

You can be thankful for the Atheists among us because they are “the voice crying in the wilderness” to make straight the paths of civilization. They are the ones who put their popularity, property and life on the line in order to point out the wrongs and injustices of society, religion, government and business. Atheists are hated and feared by the teachers and believers in false hopes and false promises. They were the Deist founders of this country, and they are the sustainers of it today.

 

The Atheists of today are losing their voice because of the hatred, censorship and prejudice directed toward them by religion and government. But do not forget. They are the heroes. They are the ones who conduct their lives on the basis of not doing to others what they would not want others to do to them. They are the Free Clear Thinkers. Were it not for the Atheists, this country would already be a religious, political or military dictatorship. Atheists are warning us. They see it coming.

 

Many Atheists do not call themselves Atheists, and indeed, would be horrified to be considered as such. However, these wonderful men and women are found at the forefront of our alternate media (the Internet). They are exposing and fighting those government and religious false claims, false promises and inhumane attitudes. They are rebelling against the dumbing down of our educational system. They are pointing out the destruction of our freedoms and the use of our judicial system to deny justice. They are warning us of the takeover of our government by big business and religion, which wishes to establish a totalitarian state. They are warning now of the present tyranny and the tyranny to come. They are warning us of the damage being done to the American citizens - RIGHT NOW.

 

Fundamental religion works, schemes and plans so things can be run their way, using their immoral religious code of ethics. They lack the knowledge of true history. They neither remember, nor have they studied what happened in the past when the church had the power of government in its hands. They do not know how true believers and non-believers were killed or imprisoned so a powerful religious organization could take away their incomes, their home, their freedoms and their land. They neither know nor remember the great fear, hunger and poverty imposed upon the people by the religions. They have forgotten that the church made slaves of their own believers as well as the non-believers. They have not studied how the church dishonestly accumulated the political power and the wealth of society. They have forgotten that there was no middle class, only the very poor and the very rich.

 

Yes, my friends, you need the Atheists and you need them more today than you did yesterday. Atheists are not the God haters you have been warned against by the religions. The Atheists see fundamental religion and our corporate government as the true enemies of mankind. The enemy of mankind is also the enemy of your God. Our government and the fundamental religions should rightly be classified as the real Atheists in the USA. Thus, the government and the fundamental religions of this country are the true enemies of your God. They are the ones who have rightly qualified for the title of “Atheist.”

 

Help the true, Free, Clear Thinking Atheists warn America about the police state our fundamental religions and our corporate government are fostering upon us. When the church had the political power fully in its hands, we call that time “The Dark Ages.” Let us not have a second dark age here in America and in the world.

 

Support your local True, Free, Clear Thinking Atheist!

 

Thomas E. Blaylock, Jr. author of The Night They Waked Uncle Bob, a novel of an Atheist life, and the author of Honest Man’s Philosophy, being published now. His website is: http://www.jovialatheist.com

 

 

I was given permission by the author of this piece to post it here. - Fwee

[daniel_1012]

I was thinking that this might get a bit of a discussion going. 

Copyright: 9/23/04

Updated: 01/12/05

ATHEISM IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS

 

We are talking about men (and women) who love and search for truth in all things, civil and spiritual. Long before these men who sought to find out the truth in all areas

 

 

 

Dear Daniel, please refer back to the section when quoting these huge, long quoted articles. Was JUST posted the post above yours. does NOT need to be repeated in total for a few line response. Learn to Cut and paste, use the various Radio Buttons to modify what you wish to respond to.

 

kL

 

 

and the author of Honest Man’s Philosophy, being published now. His website is: http://www.jovialatheist.com

I was given permission by the author of this piece to post it here. - Fwee

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The Bible tells us the truth about atheism, and it's not some glorious new revelation brought about by science or reason. Men have been denying God's existance ever since God made them. The fool has said in his heart, their is no God. Even before I was a Christian... I at least knew there was a God, there was no denying that. Even in my most wicked pre-Christian days, I wasn't a complete fool... I knew He existed. It would take strong delision and brainwashing to convince a man otherwise.

[All Gods Fail]

Great article - hooray for us atheists!

 

It's a bit muddy, though. Some of the author's rhetoric was bit stilted and needed to be tightened up. Still, the overall point is valid: atheists have had a label stuck on them by the church. They try their damndest to paint us as infidels who hate morality and have no 'spiritual center' (because only jebus can give you that: w/out the bible we'd all be baby-eating idolators or something).

 

Of course never mind about all the horrible things people do in the name of their gods - the non-believers are the real danger!

 

What was it their book said? Something about the speck in your brother's eye...

[Fweethawt]

The Bible tells us the truth about atheism, and it's not some glorious new revelation brought about by science or reason.  Men have been denying God's existance ever since God made them.  The fool has said in his heart, their is no God.  Even before I was a Christian... I at least knew there was a God, there was no denying that.  Even in my most wicked pre-Christian days, I wasn't a complete fool... I knew He existed.  It would take strong delision and brainwashing to convince a man otherwise.

I can't imagine how someone can be as exposed to both sides of the coin as you've allowed yourself to be, and yet, you can't see how the bible has been written honed over thousands of years in order to keep people from thinking for themselves.

 

That's okay though. If being "brainwashed", as per your use of the term, means that my mind has been influenced by someone else to such an extent that I'm no longer able to see the "truth" in the absurdities of your God bible, then someone has an extremely powerful deception going on here of which I have no control over whatsoever.

 

 

<<<now if I could just convince myself that serpents speak, and people come back from the dead, I just know that I won't be "brainwashed" any more.>>>

 

 

 

 

btw- try not to quote huge posts like that. We've been asked to not do that in order to conserve bandwidth. Just quote the parts that you wish to comment on.

[The Silent One]

The Bible tells us the truth about atheism, and it's not some glorious new revelation brought about by science or reason. Men have been denying God's existance ever since God made them. The fool has said in his heart, their is no God. Even before I was a Christian... I at least knew there was a God, there was no denying that. Even in my most wicked pre-Christian days, I wasn't a complete fool... I knew He existed. It would take strong delision and brainwashing to convince a man otherwise.

 

Bullshit.

[MQTA]

I love that site. He writes well. Haven't emailed him yet though so I've only quoted little snips of any given page there. Here I've been giving the link openly, but elsewhere I've had to hide it within the quote.

[Vigile]

Atheism is a philosophy!

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Ok, I don't have time to read this article now, but will try and get to it later. One thought though. I don't like the idea espoused here that Atheism is a philosophy. I didn't adopt atheism, atheism is a term I'm labeled with, necessarily so in a society where so many believe in fairy tales, because I don't believe in fairy tales.

 

Once I adopted or was coerced into xtianity. I don't "adopt" atheism, I just stopped believing in invisible people. I do embrace life philosophies to some degree, but I don't see how not believing in something means that I have embraced something. Just the opposite.

[MQTA]

He's talking about philosophical atheism, not just the flat definition of one. He's talking about how one would research looking for honest answers to questions they have and coming up with atheism as a result.

 

Not the ones who are atheists by default ?

[Fweethawt]

Ok, I don't have time to read this article now, but will try and get to it later.  One thought though.  I don't like the idea espoused here that Atheism is a philosophy.  I didn't adopt atheism, atheism is a term I'm labeled with, necessarily so in a society where so many believe in fairy tales, because I don't believe in fairy tales. 

 

Once I adopted or was coerced into xtianity.  I don't "adopt" atheism, I just stopped believing in invisible people.  I do embrace life philosophies to some degree, but I don't see how not believing in something means that I have embraced something.  Just the opposite.

 

Vigile,

 

Within the context of the article, Mr. Blaylock is using the root meaning of the word "philosophy" in order to show the difference between unbelievers and those who believe.

 

Hence the reason for this comment, "The literal Greek meaning of the word, philosophy, is “The Love of Wisdom.”

 

Maybe you missed that part since you can't read the article right now. Once you do, then you'll see why he made that comment.

[crazy-tiger]

The Bible tells us the truth about atheism, and it's not some glorious new revelation brought about by science or reason.  Men have been denying God's existance ever since God made them.  The fool has said in his heart, their is no God.  Even before I was a Christian... I at least knew there was a God, there was no denying that.  Even in my most wicked pre-Christian days, I wasn't a complete fool... I knew He existed.  It would take strong delision and brainwashing to convince a man otherwise.

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So, you were never an Atheist...?

In fact, you were never a non-christian... you always knew that God existed.

[Vixentrox]

The Bible tells us the truth about atheism, and it's not some glorious new revelation brought about by science or reason.  Men have been denying God's existance ever since God made them.  The fool has said in his heart, their is no God.  Even before I was a Christian... I at least knew there was a God, there was no denying that.  Even in my most wicked pre-Christian days, I wasn't a complete fool... I knew He existed.  It would take strong delision and brainwashing to convince a man otherwise.

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Oh...you KNEW. Couldn't have had anything to do with society practically forcing Xtianity down everyone's throat? How do you know it wasn't Zeus or Odin that you "knew"? Oh...and the BIBLE said it so it must be true. So, you knew that some hebrew murdering tribal god was the real one without any outside influence. Funny how those who are raised in other places don't buy into it....

[Ouroboros]

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Daniel, please do not keep the whole quote from the post you're replying to, especially if it's a huge one, and you're not doing any comments on separate sections of it. It takes unnecessary space and bandwidth.

 

**edit**

 

Btw, great article Fwee.

[Vulgaris Prime]

The Bible tells us the truth about atheism, and it's not some glorious new revelation brought about by science or reason.

 

The bible also says that bats are birds, that rabbits chew cud, that Pi is 3, that the Earth is flat and the sun revolves around it... it's not anything but your stupid little fairy tale.

 

FUCK OFF.

 

  Men have been denying God's existance ever since God made them.

 

PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

 

Can't do it? No surprise there.

 

The fool has said in his heart, their is no God.

 

You're goin' to Hell, buddy, since you aren't supposed to say people are fools.

 

You fucking robot.

 

Even before I was a Christian... I at least knew there was a God, there was no denying that.

 

That's because you were already brainwashed.

 

Dumb fuck.

 

  Even in my most wicked pre-Christian days, I wasn't a complete fool... I knew He existed.  It would take strong delision and brainwashing to convince a man otherwise.

 

Mr. Kettle, Mr. Pot's on line 2 again, he won't hang up.

 

Danny boy, you're a liar and you're just plain stupid, and that's all you'll ever be, apparently. The sooner you finally get banned, the better.

[Caretaker]

Hugh Jazz quote

The Bible tells us...

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Fough Kin A.

 

You just don't get it.

[Saviourmachine]

Even before I was a Christian... I at least knew there was a God, there was no denying that. Even in my most wicked pre-Christian days, I wasn't a complete fool... I knew He existed.

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I did not knew that. Why exactly am I "a complete fool" because of that?

[RankStranger]

'Cause tha bible say so... that's why!

[Megistias]

Men have been denying God's existance ever since God made them.

100518[/snapback]

 

 

Surely, you yourself deny the existance of some gods ?

[daniel_1012]

So, you were never an Atheist...?

In fact, you were never a non-christian... you always knew that God existed.

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I certainly had atheistic tendencies, of disbelief. That is to say... what else would throw me so headlong into sin accept that belief that, "God does not exist, and there is no consequence." But, in my heart I always knew He existed, even when I would deny it. Believing that God exists does not make you a Christian.

 

God is a general term, and, "You believe in God, good! Even the demons believe in God, and tremble." Demons aren't Christians, and neither is someone just because they fathom the concept of a God in heaven, or of His law.

 

You said, "you always knew that God existed." No... I alwasy believed God existed. It wasn't until I became a Christian, that I knew it.

[daniel_1012]

I certainly had atheistic tendencies, of disbelief.  That is to say... what else would throw me so headlong into sin accept that belief that, "God does not exist, and there is no consequence."  But, in my heart I always knew He existed, even when I would deny it.  Believing that God exists does not make you a Christian.

 

God is a general term, and, "You believe in God, good!  Even the demons believe in God, and tremble."  Demons aren't Christians, and neither is someone just because they fathom the concept of a God in heaven, or of His law.

 

You said, "you always knew that God existed."  No... I alwasy believed God existed.  It wasn't until I became a Christian, that I knew it.

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If I say that I always knew He existed, I suppose that would be my error in use of wording. I always would "know" with a belief that God existed... I mean I had evidence all around me... but I didn't "know" with the knowledge given by God, that He existed, until I because a Christian and He had made Himself known to me.

[crazy-tiger]

I certainly had atheistic tendencies, of disbelief.  That is to say... what else would throw me so headlong into sin accept that belief that, "God does not exist, and there is no consequence."  But, in my heart I always knew He existed, even when I would deny it.  Believing that God exists does not make you a Christian.

No, it doesn't... What it DOES do is make you a THEIST!

God is a general term, and, "You believe in God, good!  Even the demons believe in God, and tremble."  Demons aren't Christians, and neither is someone just because they fathom the concept of a God in heaven, or of His law.

Did I say it made you a Christian? Nope...

You said, "you always knew that God existed."  No... I alwasy believed God existed.  It wasn't until I became a Christian, that I knew it.

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I'm sorry... you have always believed that God exists, yet you somehow managed to have enough disbelief to say that God doesn't exist?

 

Not only were you never an Atheist, but you lied to yourself as well...

 

 

Well, any claims you have made or will make in the future that you were an Atheist are now proven to be lies... proven by your own words here.

[Amethyst]

No, it doesn't... What it DOES do is make you a THEIST!

 

Or possibly a deist. Belief in a god does not necessarily make one Christian. Nor does not believing in the Christian god automatically make one atheist.

 

I certainly had atheistic tendencies, of disbelief. 

 

Sounds to me like you were never a Real True Atheist.

[crazy-tiger]

Or possibly a deist.

I was trying to keep it simple... I'm not sure he can handle choices which have more than two options.

Belief in a god does not necessarily make one Christian.  Nor does not believing in the Christian god automatically make one atheist.

Quite right... that's what I tried to get across to Daniel

Sounds to me like you were never a Real True Atheist.

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Sure he was... he said he was an Atheist so he must have been a true Atheist...

 

Oh, but didn't he also say that he's ALWAYS believed that God exists?

 

 

 

 

 

By the way... I figured his name was a verse, so I looked it up...

 

Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

 

He's yet to set his heart to understand anything...

[Ouroboros]

Oh, but didn't he also say that he's ALWAYS believed that God exists?

By the way... I figured his name was a verse, so I looked it up...

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I think I can resolve the conundrum...

 

Daniel think that every True Atheist believe in God, but refuses to accept it. So he's claiming he was the True Atheist™ that had a belief in God, all according to the scriptures. The evil atheist that know there is a God but refuses to believe. That's what Daniel was. He was the exactly the fool and atheist that the Bible describes, but what he doesn't know is that the kind of atheist we are, is the kind that do not know, think, believe, feel or have a notion of any god what-so-ever. He might have been the Bible-definition-of-atheist, but he was never our kind of atheist (or the real-life-kind, the one that exists in the real world).

 

So according to the Bible, Daniel was a Bible-Atheist, and then became a Bible-Christian. In essence, he was never outside the definitions and mythologies of the Bible. He was living in the delusion from start.

[crazy-tiger]

Damn... technically, I did say that believing in God made him a Christian...

 

In my defense, I would have to point out that he was talking about knowing that God exists (that would be the Christian God at this point) and that he's always believed that God exists.

 

 

 

Interesting how he claimed he wasn't a Christian, then turns around and admits to always believing that the Christian God exists...

 

If that didn't make him a Christian, I don't know what would.

[MQTA]

I think I can resolve the conundrum...

 

Daniel think that every True Atheist believe in God, but refuses to accept it. So he's claiming he was the True Atheist that had a belief in God, all according to the scriptures. The evil atheist that know there is a God but refuses to believe. That's what Daniel was. He was the exactly the fool and atheist that the Bible describes, but what he doesn't know is that the kind of atheist we are, is the kind that do not know, think, believe, feel or have a notion of any god what-so-ever. He might have been the Bible-definition-of-atheist, but he was never our kind of atheist (or the real-life-kind, the one that exists in the real world).

 

So according to the Bible, Daniel was a Bible-Atheist, and then became a Bible-Christian. In essence, he was never outside the definitions and mythologies of the Bible. He was living in the delusion from start.

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Those who have Found Gawd and Found Jesus think that they looked, they found, Atheists looked, but they DIDN'T find. Not that they found out the reality and truth, or at least what is NOT reality and Truth, but that they can show the Atheist what They found, which is what they're called to do.

 

They don't think anyone can find anything other than what THEY found, and since they didn't find it for so long, they figure you're just not there yet; not to mention Ha Ha, I found Him, you didn't, and you're going to hell.

 

My brother can beat up your brother, my God is bigger than your No God. Nyah Nyah Nyah