HickoryGrove Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Just wondering. If God created Adam and Eve and created the apple tree and placed it in the garden with them...and then told them not to eat an apple from it and made them aware that it contained something that they may want; wouldn't that be equivelent to hanging a carrot in front of a rabbits nose to get him to chase it? Wouldn't this be god tempting them with evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosendarkness Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Just wondering. If God created Adam and Eve and created the apple tree and placed it in the garden with them...and then told them not to eat an apple from it and made them aware that it contained something that they may want; wouldn't that be equivelent to hanging a carrot in front of a rabbits nose to get him to chase it? Wouldn't this be god tempting them with evil? No, they were supposed to OBEY. You have to obey and not think for yourself if you want to please the bible God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul34 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 The Bible does not mention at what age Adam and Eve were created, but I guess since they were the first humans, they would've been created as adults (being a child is for when human reproduction started). Let's just say, 25. What is the total sum of your knowledge and life experience by 25? A good amount, I'd say. You form many of your opinions and worldview by that age. So God would've had to preprogram Adam and Eve with all this knowledge. However, he failed to give them one essential library of knowledge: right/wrong. He knew exactly how their thought process would work out because he directly programmed it. There was absolutely no reason to put the tree there other than to fuck with Adam and Eve, and to create a scenario that he knew, the instant he created the tree (because he is omniscient) would inevitably lead to Eve eating from the tree. We see that the big issue for God wasn't so much that they ate from the tree, but the consequences of doing so: Gen. 3:22: And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” Interesting. So the difference between God and man was that God knew good and evil. God didn't want us to know what he does - to become like him. He wanted to keep us ignorant: Gen 3:11: And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?” Knowledge and self-awareness is anathema to God. Also interesting reading this story is that God seems to almost... fear humanity. "He must not be allowed." An omnipotent God could clearly just take the "tree of life" out of the garden. He didn't have to post angels with swords to guard the way to the tree. None of these reflect the likely actions of an omnipotent god. It reflects the actions of a limited pagan god of antiquity. It also makes sense given that the creation myth was likely lifted from another creation myth. It seems that here, even God was somehow restricted by his own creation. Too bad he didn't post an angel to begin with, huh? In conclusion, even had God not known exactly what Adam/Eve were going to do (he had full knowledge of this and in effect, made this happen), his actions are equivalent to placing a jar full of cookies out on the table, and placing a 4 year old in the same room. Further, let's say this 4 year old doesn't understand right/wrong, even at a crude level. Completely innocent. Now, the child is hungry. There's no one to feed him, and he sees the cookies there, so he figures, I will eat one. This was an inevitable result. Then, you curse him for his life and curse all of his future children for such a "horrendous" act, even though his children would not have necessarily made the same decision - and even if they did, they were still just as blameless. How would you view a parent who did that (assuming the parent had the power to enforce such a punishment)? This also brings up another point. If God created the universe for us, and now science has shown us that there are hundreds of planets in the "goldlilocks zone" in their own planetary systems, outside our own, and that is just in a tiny sliver of the night sky (so potentially, there may be many, many more planets like this), and we see all matters of wonders around the cosmos with our modern telescopes, what exactly was all that for? We've even recently discovered a huge body of water out in space. Yup, good old H2O. It isn't so unique to our planet. God never wanted us to choose knowledge and to be aware of ourselves and our surroundings. He wanted us to be eternal children. So, who is all that for? God just got bored and decided to keep making other worlds? If many of these planets are inhabited, then what does that say of us? We'd just be one intelligent species among many. Am I to believe that the one true God of the universe decided to choose just our world? What vanity. Theologians have to keep making convoluted excuses and explanations to try to fit such discoveries with an ancient god created by uneducated and superstitious people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivingLife Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Garden of eden 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Eve is ripped, look at those biceps. BTW who cares what the tree "had" dangling from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaToOmega Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 In conclusion, even had God not known exactly what Adam/Eve were going to do (he had full knowledge of this and in effect, made this happen), his actions are equivalent to placing a jar full of cookies out on the table, and placing a 4 year old in the same room. Further, let's say this 4 year old doesn't understand right/wrong, even at a crude level. Completely innocent. Now, the child is hungry. There's no one to feed him, and he sees the cookies there, so he figures, I will eat one. This was an inevitable result. Then, you curse him for his life and curse all of his future children for such a "horrendous" act, even though his children would not have necessarily made the same decision - and even if they did, they were still just as blameless. How would you view a parent who did that (assuming the parent had the power to enforce such a punishment)? Actually you that's not quite an accurate analogy. If god placed a poison cookie jar that would condemn any 4 year old and their kids for eternity for eating the cookies. That would be closer. One could easily argue that by making it simply kill them instantly it would have been better. that way at least one of them would have survived. But no. That act condemned everyone of their offspring to the same fate. Loving God my ass. He's a sick twisted pshyco. Luckily however he's a complete work of crappy fiction too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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